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Noj.

I’m primarily talking about static generation as in a direct competitor to the amazing tower of power. Battery does have its place for smaller units, but for larger excavators etc. neither battery or fuel cell is viable because of the workable hours required because of the capex. There is a clip out there somewhere, where Anthony Bamford analogises large plant and batteries to the Saturn 5 scenario, hence their research into H2 ICE technology.

Noj

Fuel cells and batteries simply don't work in the construction industry, hence JCB going down the route of H2 ICE. Agreed the storage of the fuel is more challenging than for standard diesel, but this is being overcome. However, when looked at in the context of static generation, it has many advantages over fuel cell (known technology, small footprint, higher charge density, no need to rely on battery buffer) which is why it's being investigated by a number of heavy plant companies.

JCB working on an hydrogen powered IC engine generator specifically aimed at large construction sites?

Has anyone dipped a toe into the wonderful world of conspiracy theory?

The way it works is that someone wants to promote a particular agenda and sets about pulling together a whole series of pieces of micro information which in themselves are pretty meaningless, but when put together in a particularly skewed can be made to show whatever picture the promoter wishes to show.

The key to this is the ongoing mantra of "do the research....do the research.." where people are directed to "research" the particular agenda that has been set, in order to affirm what the promoter is saying. Along side this, an agenda is set where anyone expressing any kind of alternate view of this skewed agenda is vociferously shouted down as a heretic or someone in league with a higher authority that wishes to silence the "truth". The problem is that this "truth" is no such thing, just an agenda being promoted by someone who either has an agenda, or is simply an absolute loon.

Look at the methodology applied by a certain Uber Uber, and you will see that it's the same.....wise up folks, can't you see you're being played by the infamous McStock?

Garonne.

Ah, the old "ABB share gift" thing......you'll be getting into trouble with that one, we all know that the value AFC got out of changing the contractual terms far outweighs the possible cost to the shareholders (remember, it was the shareholders who paid for it by dilution).

Buenavista….ah, the old “you’re not invested” line…..so precisely what evidence do you have to back up that particular piece of twaddle? I’ll answer it for you, absolutely none, so get back in your box kiddo, if that’s the best you’ve got….

Just because someone has a different view to you doesn’t mean that they are wrong, or have any kind of agenda, it’s simply that they have a different view….JN’S view is that all will be good, given enough time, which he’s quite entitled to….others view is that given the company’s previous form, there is little hard evidence out these at present to support that view, and are therefore being more sceptical….at this precise moment in time, neither is right, and neither is wrong, so neither has the moral authority to unduly criticise the other’s stance….

And of this gets removed., then moderation is a joke, and Simply yields to the fragile Uber brigade

If it wags its tail and barks, it’s a dog, you can pretend that a woof is a meow, but it doesn’t make it a cat….

McStock

Is this the same Centrica who walked away from a JV back in about 2012?

You really are plumbing the depths of straw clutching with that one…….

I’ll let you all into a secret……IT WASNTT A 100KW UNIT!

Otherwise the company wouldn’t have had to do the discount deal with ABB…..you know, the one where they got shares for free and a discount on units they’re never going to buy….

Bumble……so which was it, an accusation of posts being deleted or a genuine mistake, you can’t have it both ways….if it was a genuine mistake, why make the snide comment about “mysteriously vanishing posts’ or whatever, as that statement wasn’t going to bring anything to the party….

B3. Is you answer to anything that you can’t prove…..”mysteriously deleted post”?

It’s risible and makes you look like a loon…..

The sad fact is that this company has failed to deliver on any of the “we’re developing ground breaking tech” rhetoric spouted over many years, and it’s becoming clear that this is nothing other than a chancers paradise, where the primary beneficiaries are the overpaid CEO and board of Directors. No product ever supposedly developed by the company has ever reached a commercially viable stage, and every time there is danger of this becoming apparent, there is always a new and exciting avenue to investigate, which always takes the sting out of the failure that’s never fully disclosed.

The Ubers may believe that this will come good, which is their right, but those who have seen the spectacular lack of progress over 16 odd years reserve the right to feel aggrieved at the somewhat economical view of the truth that the company believes is accept able. This criticism is not solely levelled at AB, because this practice was being carried on by pervious incumbents .

Should I sell? No, on an aver aged down price of 22 pence I’m about £10k underwater, which isn’t in any way a problem, but to be honest, I’d rather not chrystalise the loss and regain the moral authority to call the company to account.

Again, I challenge anyone to identify a single development where the company has actually delivered anything to commercial fruition….

Let’s face it, there has been no news with any substance that isn’t veiled in ambiguity for a very long time. Units out on test with builders keen to greenwash? Where are the orders? Super wizard unit delivered to ABB? Oh yes, the follow on investment that the mug shareholders paid for, and the discount on any units they decide to buy…..Accoinia….any orders? Didn’t think so…..never mind, there’s always the Middle East (again!) I’m just waiting for the next RNS saying we’re going to South Korea again……oh, and the next pie in the sky “next big thing” maybe building low cost fuel cells from Musk’s trip to Mars…..timescales would be about right for AFC….

Forget all of that, we are, of course, developing the cracker, which will take an age and keep all the fools fuelled up with hope for a while…..yup, a not needed solution for a non problem fuelling a not commercially viable product.

I only wish that there was some way of having a kind of financial instrument that makes money out of a share sitting in a channel for ever, because that’s all this is ever going to do…..

Welcome, ladies, gentlemen and self identifiers, to the annual clutching at straws awards. This years winners, by a country mile are that indomitable bunch known as the AFC Ubers, who never give up, never say die, and scour all forms of social media for anything that could remotely possibly indicate that their undying faith in the company may just one day be rewarded.

Great kudos to this stalwart group of believers, who endeavour to see the sunny side come what may, but a special mention to McStock, who always manages to unearth some peripheral grain of information which probably had little relevance to anything remotely regarded as progress and then spins it into some kind of new alternate reality for the Ubers to lap up.

No doubt when accepting the award, the recipient will show great gratitude to AB for providing such a fertile feeeinb ground for this baseless optimism…

Judging by the concerted effort to cancel any comment other than the “everything’s fine, it just takes time, all will be great eventually, honest guv” party line, methinks that the Ubers are getting more than a little concerned that the true reality is that there isn’t going to be the great payday that they are collectively pinning their hopes on.

Ask yourself this, how gutted must ABB be to have not done the sensible thing and asked for their money back, but rather take shares instead which are now worth less than the cash discount they equated to…..

"There's over 1000 on the Facebook group...... and the con men are banned from it".

No they're not........

"In the case of ABB, Acciona and Speedy, these are commercial systems where it's very unlikely that the client would hold up delivery. And as said, the 100kW was delivered in October 2022 but only RNS'd after ABB had validated it and negotiated the deal for the 10 x 200kW systems at the end of March 2023. AFC had from end of March 2023 to year end to build it, and they knew how long it would take from their experience and metrics when building the 100kW, so I think they finished it early too and it's been with ABB for at least a month, possibly two"

Complete conjecture without a single shed of evidence to support............A complete joke and a half!

Why don't we all set out exactly what the company has actually achieved during this calendar year. When I say achieved, I'm talking about actual positive progress on either getting an actual product to market, or even making a sale of anything at remotely commercial rates.

Don't bother wasting typing time on MOU's JV's or supposed new products which are, until such time as they actually deliver something simply the square root of a load of wind and wet. let's look at hard facts.