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I know how you feel Wooster. I'm coming up for my 8-year PREM anniversary :D :D

Hey Shwmae,

All we know is that we started the process a long time ago, and were advised around October that the EPO was (or more likely, would be) granted. Since then we have been waiting for the official notification - these are published in a ‘gazette’.

At a similar time that the official announcement is sent to the gazette, the applicant (us) will be informed.

At INDABA Cape Town a couple of weeks ago, GR was told by an lady from the Zimbabwe stand’ that the announcement had been sent to the printers. We’ve been checking the gazettes every since - nothing in there yet.

We actually do not know the details of the process, so everyone is speculating that when the woman said ‘sent to the printers’, that she literally meant any day now it will be physically printed. However we don’t know that for sure.

There is a bit of a backlog of EPOS to be notified, so I think there is possibly a hold up in the process. I can only imagine how complex a bureaucratic government process might be!

Second edition Charlie? Nothing is on the site yet is it?

Exactly humpa. A load of bed wetting due to an RNS that nobody should have actually expected at 15:00. It's ridiculous.

The gazette pdf copy might be sent to the Africa gazettes archive site today, or it might not. That is not part of the legal process - we are just hoping to get early visibility. Even if a gazette pops up on there, we have no guarantee that the EPO announcements will be in this weeks edition

But none of that means we'll get an RNS! PREM have to be notified first, and that may happen out of sequence to publishing.

Aston, I would say that is highly likely yes!

Hi Charlie,

The gazette isn't mining specific, looks to be any relevant notification. Although I do note that there haven't been any mining-specific announcements in there for quite a while.

This is the process for EPO notification:
Approved General Notice sent for Gazettal.
Approved Order sent to Applicant

However, we don't know whether the notification is sent to the applicant (Zulu Lithium ltd) at exactly the same time as the notice sent to the team pulling together the gazettes - I would assume not, so we'll possibly get the gazette BEFORE the RNS.

Hi Sherlock,

The gazettes are published physically. The below website is an archive of African gazettes, including Zimbabwe. They usually get the pdfs sent to them from the printers, and subsequently publish on the archive. Note that they don't ALWAYS get them. From a timing perspetive, last week's was in the afternoon, but ultimately it will be whenever the printer emails it, and then they upload. I'm not sure when gazette 12 (last Friday) appeared, but it wasn't on there on Friday!

Personally, I'm not convinced we'll see anything today, based on the backlog of EPOs to be notified.

https://gazettes.africa/gazettes/zw/2020

Obviously not Steven.

If anyone has been paying attention, there is a significant number of EPO announcements to be gazzetted. I’m not entirely sure why we are so confident that tomorrow is the day, against any other Friday?

On the same token, it shouldn’t be a meltdown if we do not hear tomorrow. Although I’m 90% sure there won’t be a single dry sheet on here tomorrow if no news

I think last season was worse. If we scored early we then had to hang on for 80 minutes. Bodies thrown about, block after block. I aged ten years last season.

This one we’ve started well, I felt we were very unlucky in the first half dozen games. Now it’s getting horribly tense because every game potentially tips us into the bottom three :|

I was making a subtle dig at the hypocrisy of many in this share, including those no longer in it.

Very happy to discuss and promote this sort of thing previously, but change their tune and cry foul when they’ve given up and sold out.

I think 90% of people interested in Prem are trying to influence the market one way or another, with their utter crap.

He made a comment, then the rampers, bashers and trolls went absolutely nuts. Then they blame George.

I'm not blaming you Mags, I'm just trying to instil some semblance of reason here.

GR said that this woman from the 'Zimbabwean counter' at INDABA has told him it was 'with the government printer'. Unsurprisingly that has said everyone's expectations wild, without any of us having the first clue about what that means.
The literal assumption is that any moment now we will see a paper with the EPO printed in black ink. However, that woman might have simplified it in that very brief statement. It could easily still be 'in the process'.

Christ, the amount of people on my team that tell me they 'are working on it' and 'it'll be finished soon' is completely at odds with when they actually produce the output! :)

Magoo, that is making an assumption about the process. The woman said something about it going, or being prepared for publication. We don't know anything about the details of that. For all we know it's still on someone's desk with 300 other things that need to be gazetted. Someone has to do that admin and get it to the person doing the layout.

I would think a second or extraordinary gazette is highly unlikely. We might get it in next Friday's gazette. Or perhaps not.

The process for EPOs says the following about EPO notification;
1. Approved General Notice sent for Gazettal.
2. Approved Order sent to Applicant

My opinion on that, is that the detail is sent to whichever team is responsible for the gazettes, and they have to put the notice into their process. And PREM are also notified. It is entirely possible that PREM find out and RNS before the gazette is available for us to view! Note that the gazette pdf we have seen today is the one that is sent to the printers. And since the deadline for notices is the monday before the print day, that gives us at least a week where in theory, PREM could be advised before we see the pdf.

Gazette cut off timings, for those that are interested. From the very helpful people at Gazettes.Africa:
For something to be published in the Friday gazette, the notices and statutory instruments must be received before at 11 a.m. on the Monday of the same week. For notices in tabular form, the deadline is the previous Friday.

So if the details really have been sent to the printer, then they needed to have done that LAST week.

We may have another week to wait

They will tell you that they could possibly receive one. That does not mean that they will. They'll tell you that it can happen.

You and others are then reading that it will.

On what basis do you think that?

I don't think we'll see the notice on the gazettes using the gazettes.africa site. I've looked at half of the gazettes from 2018 now and not a single one has a single reference to a mineral claim, mining right, EPO, exclusive prospecting order, etc

The only relevance to mining whatsoever are the list of preferred suppliers, the list of government act versions, the list of prices for gazette fees and the occasional notification that someone has lost their registration certificate and the relevant industry is mining.

I've done a lot of searching elsewhere, and have cross-referenced news articles on EPOs granted to the relevant gazette on that date - and the EPO notification is not in the gazette. So I actually think we are all looking in the wrong place. Sadly, I cannot find the RIGHT place! I've sent some mails to a couple of magazines, blogs and will try and contact the ministry of mines to find out where the notification gets sent. But if it is printed this week or early next, then I suspect GR will respond via RNS before I get anywhere.

Perthboy - I don't think any of us know. The gazettes are physical publications - that website is a digital archive project, and they have nothing for 2019, despite there being plenty of gazettes published that year. I cannot find any reference to mining licences in the 2020 or 2018 gazettes, although I've only gone through random ones from 2018. I'm of the opinion they aren't published on this one - wherever the original source is.

Perhaps we need to wait until George is notified and then advises us!

Yup - none of those publications on that site refer to any mining licences. The only mining references are relating to where people have lost their certificates of registration. Never anything about mineral rights, mining licences, EPO applications, etc.

Perhaps those are published elsewhere - a bit more sleuthing required

Idiot? You think that all notices from the government are printed once a week in a single PDF?

Jesus, you only have to look last week and there are two separate PDFs for separate departments. And I suspect the ministry of mines doesn't even use this publication system - can you find ANY gazettes on that site relating to mining?