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really disgusted with establishment. £1 trillion stolen to prop up big landlords (no strings). No voluntary pay cuts. Palaces repaired. No investment by them in future and stolen funds make this more unlikely bearing in mind they think they are entitled to it! (Divine right to screw the tax payer!). 50% of their property and estates they owe tax payer due 90% bailout in financial terms of their assets. Small print cheats just sitting on hands and not doing best for country. AND then builder execs pay themselves bonuses!!!- for doing what. Quality of builds is another small print scandal waiting to happen and future generations will be on hook to remedy that also IMO as they find out the substantial wealth of nation bound up in bricks and mortar is not what it seems. What amazes me is how 'lack' of intelligence who have the capability to wrap up complex criminal organisations here and abroad cannot seem to see that there are 50 or so small print cheats ruining this country and betraying the hopes of a generation, stealing the taxes of the innocent for their own assets and who in all probability have not a science O'level between them but have been institutionalised to believe they are @'indispensible'. (@indispensible seems very apt for their intellectual baseless arrogance). C'mon 'lack' of intelligence! Are the masonic Ezekials involved. Could Ezekila ever have invented a vaccine etc. Are you going to stand by and let this happen? If you had any balls you'd go on strike! But i guess it's easier to bully powerless

I think we start by recovering every penny of the £100m 'bonus' theft that JF stole. We cancel Fred Goodwins £10k/week pension. I'm in a city now where you can hardly breathe for fumes. I had slob from lack of intelligence bullying me in 2003 when justified clean energy investment. It now clear that elite are stifling progress and lunatic masonic disorder are running off (*stealing) with public funds. Why was any public money used to repair palaces? Why are we buying any oil from Saudi?
Let them threaten to crash markets because after we stop buying oil they'll have nothing if they do. Why can't lack of intelligence support a UK PM who would act for world stability/clean energy/future without oil transport etc. Why do some schools boast about how many PM's they've 'made' when progress has been clobbered by them. There is no way anybody can say we live in DEMOCRACY if someone can stand four square and say they've done nothing wrong by stealing a bonus FROM a crooked austerity bailout of £1 trillion. A henchman of old would behave like that. And by the way JF and other bullies from the building ind, who stole bonuses according to slob from Lack of I,my family have 'insurance' . Yes i think we start by recovering all the stolen bonuses. History so far...
TB hyped property (mason?) GB refused to tax clear bubble because he wanted his time as PM. Lack of intelligence conspire to let him off hook by letting media say it would have been rocket science (to increase stamp duty!!) I had slob from LofI blowing smoke in face 2003 and goading 'oh yeah who's going to publish it' when justified energy investment then. Post 2008 DC and GO(masons?) lump 1 trillion of austerity on to tax payer just to save landlords via bankers who coached him at college. JF and low born skallywags across building sector award themselves bonuses. Queen celebrates crown estate profitable.(is that ignorant?) I think it's time to directly accuse masons of directly destabilising future by taking funds from green energy. Remember there were lunatic Fritzbattenburgs on both sides WW1 and WW1 caused WW2. What was it had to be done pre 1914? -electrification of Europe? Let me guess, elite didn't want to pay and took tax payer money for property assets. Now post 2008 take trillions away from solving problems for property assets. Going to increase military again now masonic FBs? Not going to contribute again? Not going to return stolen trillion (again?) Is it also time to accuse HMRC of illegal collecting of austerity. Taxes (Adam Smith) meant to be fair (and not collected by nobbled politics for own assets) Boris you going to reduce stamp duty now for your dinner club mates? Another housing bubble on cards? But who cares as long as landlords happy (and tech criminally delayed and non property tax payers screwed) Crown estate admin also had bonuses or increased wages- same thing. Lack of intel going to allow media to discuss this . Ezekiel for an enquiry -10+ years late . Thanks lse

tmt you love misquoting!
Assuming BJ is a royalist and has had his path through life like Cameron smoothed until in position of power despite old bosses warning, then let's test Nige and his love of facts. Please amend the PROVISIONAL figures
Crown estate worth £100 billion*. 90% bailed out by tax payer therefore £90 billion owed. Charitable donations by all involved £1million/year*. therefore charitable donations at current rate needed for 90,000 years to repay debt to society. What about the other big landlords. What about the cynical writing of bonus packages by building directors and this co. as a prime example of the most cynical immoral abuse f the tax payer?
They all knew £1 trillion was being stolen from the future prosperity, green energy and safety of a whole generation of tax payers but they still wrote themselves the cheating bonuses.
Basically is this because they knew or know that the establishment are cheats or would cheat themselves AND therefore the builder and builder supply directors would in their opinion get away with it???

History now says landlords portfolios more important than progress (Come in Oxbridge! or have you all been nobbled as well- or just a little dim in reality? but education such a big business you can lobby to hide this?). If portfolios threatened they don't hesitate to run off with giant generational amounts of tax payer funds to help themselves (so making progress even slower). Masons involved (should be wrapped up) and lack of intelligence bullies anybody who want to do sensible things with tax payer money. I had such slob in 2003 blowing smoke in face when justified energy investment THEN. So in short this lot not contributing. Crowm estate give nothing. Directors of builders and builder supply write themselves shameless bonuses expecting no come back. Elite no pay cuts post 2008 - surprisingly low behaviour imo.
So the short question is where does it leave the chances of progress- green energy, less polution, fair education (and not more oxbridge largely untested politicians). Pretty bad outlook i'd suggest which is why i don't want to let the bonus cheats off hook and further we find out who else has paid themselves handsomely on back of unbridled bail out. Crown estate admin also. Lack of intelligence bosses? Old polluting industrialists and car makers?

I remember the old movies of the british heroes like Mitchel working himself to death to finish the spitfire plan. Well clean energy has been delayed massively by establishment and further they have crippled the tax payer most cynically and immorally. The blood has thinned considerably - -JF and his buddies are going to make a token payment to charity having stolen and cheated themselves undeserved and unwarranted bonuses and rather than defend the rest of the population they have screwed them. If the masonic club is involved then great shame on you and Ezekial x3 for a massive enquiry (10 years late)*100bln with pp?,* charity not wages!

Assuming BJ is a royalist and has had his path through life like Cameron smoothed until in position of power despite old bosses warning, then let's test Nige and his love of facts. Please amend the provisional figures
Crown estate worth £100 billion. 90% bailed out by tax payer therefore £90 billion owed. Charitable donations by all involved £1million/year. therefore charitable donations at current rate needed for 90,000 years to repay debt to society. What about the other big landlords. What about the cynical writing of bonus packages by building directors and this co. as a prime example of the most cynical immoral abuse f the tax payer?
They all knew £1 trillion was being stolen from the future prosperity, green energy and safety of a whole generation of tax payers but they still wrote themselves the cheating bonuses.
Basically is this because they knew or know that the establishment are cheats or would cheat themselves AND therefore the builder and builder supply directors would in their opinion get away with it???

History now says landlords portfolios more important than progress (Come in Oxbridge! or have you all been nobbled as well- or just a little dim in reality? but education such a big business you can lobby to hide this?). If portfolios threatened they don't hesitate to run off with giant generational amounts of tax payer funds to help themselves (so making progress even slower). Masons involved (should be wrapped up) and lack of intelligence bullies anybody who want to do sensible things with tax payer money. I had such slob in 2003 blowing smoke in face when justified energy investment THEN. So in short this lot not contributing. Crowm estate give nothing. Directors of builders and builder supply write themselves shameless bonuses expecting no come back. Elite no pay cuts post 2008 - surprisingly low behaviour imo.
So the short question is where does it leave the chances of progress- green energy, less polution, fair education (and not more oxbridge largely untested politicians). Pretty bad outlook i'd suggest which is why i don't want to let the bonus cheats off hook and further we find out who else has paid themselves handsomely on back of unbridled bail out. Crown estate admin also. Lack of intelligence bosses? Old polluting industrialists and car makers?
I remember the old movies of the british heroes like Mitchel working himself to death to finish the spitfire plan. Well clean energy has been delayed massively by establishment and further they have crippled the tax payer most cynically and immorally. The blood has thinned considerably - -JF and his buddies are going to make a token payment to charity having stolen and cheated themselves undeserved and unwarranted bonuses and rather than defend the rest of the population they have screwed them. If the masonic club is involved then great shame on you and Ezekial x3 for a massive enquiry (10 years late)

And Directors when they paid themselves the cheating bonuses should have the SOCIAL CONSCIENCE to weigh up that what they are doing is WRONG v v where the money has come from, the misery getting it from tax payer has caused , and the vital for country projects that have been forgone. They didn't - I OBJECT. These people need psychological testing IMO in the same way that benefit cheats might and why is lack of intelligence not monitoring their every move?
What is very tiring is the realisation that tax payers are being ripped off and vital things they want to do (green energy, education, technology) with money denied them. Also the builders, landlords , crown estate having been bailed out most cynically by political system (with no strings- surprise, surprise) then have cynically refused to put their hands in their pockets and very substantially invest. This imo is beyond disgraceful/shameful and why i for one could no longer respect landlords/royals/property lawyers any more in 21C. I think we all know their answer to environmental/technical issues is to run off with as much money as possible for their own property portfolios and then try and make money from any resulting hardship on the population and increase their power in society (going off to pray in fancy buildings? and hope the people forget the parable of talents?) .This establishment had the perfect opportunity in the 21C to invest it's way out of the recession caused by bank/property rescue AND AVOID hurting the tax payer. They didn't and repaired palaces like something from Marie Antoinettes handbook. They refuse to enter 21C and will destabilise world. After 10 years silence masonic club must be called to explain its position and its view on this bailout cowardice and bonuses etc. No hiding. And lack of intelligence also explain their bullying of progress in society and ignorant taking of kings shilling.Or pander to suppliers of old tech and old energy who just happen to buy weapons (just be careful at the visa centre)
As said before answer is 50% repayment lien on assets of big landlords and crown estate so people can have the financial power to build the assets they will need for the next generation. i'd rather make a good start for them. I was not born to boost the financial power/political influence of the big landlords. BBC will probably never get to bottom of it. Again i ask have admin of crown estate paid themselves bonuses or increased wages? Why did elite volunteer no pay cuts post 2008? Why is a culture allowed permeate our country such that big landlords don't have to contribute money or effort (and are allowed cripple tax payer if they want). THIS IS WRONG. The arrogance of directors in this co. and others is also a function of this. Why do landlords think they have a right to run off with all the tax payer money and delay progress by not giving it back/been made to repay it/investing themselves after being unfairly propped up

And Directors when they paid themselves the cheating bonuses should have the SOCIAL CONSCIENCE to weigh up that what they are doing is WRONG v v where the money has come from, the misery getting it from tax payer has caused , and the vital for country projects that have been forgone. They didn't - I OBJECT. These people need psychological testing IMO in the same way that benefit cheats might and why is lack of intelligence not monitoring their every move?
What is very tiring is the realisation that tax payers are being ripped off and vital things they want to do (green energy, education, technology) with money denied them. Also the builders, landlords , crown estate having been bailed out most cynically by political system (with no strings- surprise, surprise) then have cynically refused to put their hands in their pockets and very substantially invest. This imo is beyond disgraceful/shameful and why i for one could no longer respect landlords/royals/property lawyers any more in 21C. I think we all know their answer to environmental/technical issues is to run off with as much money as possible for their own property portfolios and then try and make money from any resulting hardship on the population and increase their power in society (going off to pray in fancy buildings? and hope the people forget the parable of talents?) Or pander to suppliers of old tech and old energy who just happen to buy weapons (just be careful at the visa centre)
As said before answer is 50% repayment lien on assets of big landlords and crown estate so people can have the financial power to build the assets they will need for the next generation. i'd rather make a good start for them. I was not born to boost the financial power/political influence of the big landlords. BBC will probably never get to bottom of it. Again i ask have admin of crown estate paid themselves bonuses or increased wages? Why did elite volunteer no pay cuts post 2008? Why is a culture allowed permeate our country such that big landlords don't have to contribute money or effort (and are allowed cripple tax payer if they want). THIS IS WRONG. The arrogance of directors in this co. and others is also a function of this. Why do landlords think they have a right to run off with all the tax payer money and delay progress by not giving it back/been made to repay it/investing themselves after being unfairly propped up

there you go again. The banking system was bailed out-yes finally you got it. The primary and overwhelming knock on effect of this was that house and site values were 90% rescued. Politicians refused to tax these gains to return the crippling £1trillion EXTRA taxes to tax payer. House builder and building supply directors cynically wrote themselves massive non-performance bonus schemes AFTER realised political system would let them off payback. The 1 Trillion has been LOST to green energy projects and future economic prosperity (except for the big landlords!!) Therefore politicians are acting primarily for big landlords PRIMARILY and are jeopardising our future. This is ABSOLUTELY WRONG imo
Directors when they paid themselves the cheating bonuses should have the SOCIAL CONSCIENCE to weigh up that what they are doing is WRONG v v where the money has come from, the misery getting it from tax payer has caused , and the vital for country projects that have been forgone. They didn't - I OBJECT. These people need psychological testing IMO in the same way that benefit cheats might and why is lack of intelligence not monitoring their every move?
What is very tiring is the realisation that tax payers are being ripped off and vital things they want to do with money denied them.
As said before answer is 50% repayment lien on assets of big landlords and crown estate so people can have the financial power to build the assets they will need for the next generation. Maybe you'd like to be a cowardly worm that leaves a whole host of issues to the next generation but i'd rather make a good start for them. I was not born to boost the financial power/political influence of the big landlords. BBC will get to bottom of it. Again i ask have admin of crown estate paid themselves bonuses or increased wages? Why did elite volunteer no pay cuts post 2008? Why is a culture allowed permeate our country such that big landlords don't have to contribute money or effort (and are allowed cripple tax payer if they want). THIS IS WRONG. The arrogance of directors in this co. and others is also a function of this.
P.S nige i'm very confident there is nothing unreasonable in my statements so you can try and spoil all you like but you won't win

I,m sorry i feel i have to post this again because for once Nige ir on right line. The system was completely bailed out by tax payer so avoiding giant slump- correct Nige. So why don't the scalliwag directors admit it and pay it back to the tax payer and THEN after that increase wages or pay a bonus IF IT IS DESERVED
I have confidence the BBC will get to the bottom of it eventually. It's not economics- it;s fraud. It's not social responsibility- it's thuggery
from BBC program last night (which was excellent)- all agreed without bail out there would have been financial collapse (ie PSN and others sites and buildings and crown estate worth near zilch)
However Fred Goodwin kept a 10k/week pension from RBS. He reduced it 30%. Psn chap JF reduced his 25% but kept £75m. Does it all sound familiar. These people across the board , the big landlords, crown estate, bankers are apparently absolved somehow of displaying any social conscience. The tax payer and green energy projects and the future economy have been crippled by £1 trillion of EXTRA taxes to rescue the above but they have to show no thanks or appreciation. They have obviously nobbled the political system and secondly must have outright brass necks.
Its not economics. it's not civilised behaviour. it's gaming the system and then saying 'not me Gov, i don't understand' Funny that because if they had been made to pay i think they would have been lobbying like crazy with their best lawyers at it as well and dirty tricks behind the scenes and false media etc etc.
So the big landlords must be made pay it all back.
The cheating bonuses all returned
Green energy infrastructure built
Zero respect for all beneficiaries of the crooked bail out, who were not made by political system to pay it back, until it is.
You are right Dunners. We look at the banking system so the savers have much more say where the money goes. We have a national infrastructure bank which is bigger than any rival and is ring fenced from the unashamedly 'biased towards the landlords politicians' that we have all had to put up with in my lifetime. Royalist masons banned from all banking positions and politics (because they condone abusing the tax payer it seems as long as the money ends up in their members hands . Also their idea that authority is more important than real action is absolutely 100% medieval barmy. Does anybody really think Ezekial could have invented any of the things we have. I don't
People could refuse to vote until a debt repayment and refocusing to building the future economy was arranged. Historians would not be able to ignore writing up the reasons which would mean the reasons and the disgraceful behaviour of the establishment was not buried- perhaps. This is very important , i think. Because they have shown that the interests of the landlords is more important to them than climate change. propping up ineffectual leaders/elite is more important to them . Not investing personally, volunteering pay etc

I have confidence the BBC will get to the bottom of it eventually. It's not economics- it;s fraud. It's not social responsibility- it's thuggery
from BBC program last night (which was excellent)- all agreed without bail out there would have been financial collapse (ie PSN and others sites and buildings and crown estate worth near zilch)
However Fred Goodwin kept a 10k/week pension from RBS. He reduced it 30%. Psn chap JF reduced his 25% but kept £75m. Does it all sound familiar. These people across the board , the big landlords, crown estate, bankers are apparently absolved somehow of displaying any social conscience. The tax payer and green energy projects and the future economy have been crippled by £1 trillion of EXTRA taxes to rescue the above but they have to show no thanks or appreciation. They have obviously nobbled the political system and secondly must have outright brass necks.
Its not economics. it's not civilised behaviour. it's gaming the system and then saying 'not me Gov, i don't understand' Funny that because if they had been made to pay i think they would have been lobbying like crazy with their best lawyers at it as well and dirty tricks behind the scenes and false media etc etc.
So the big landlords must be made pay it all back.
The cheating bonuses all returned
Green energy infrastructure built
Zero respect for all beneficiaries of the crooked bail out, who were not made by political system to pay it back, until it is.
You are right Dunners. We look at the banking system so the savers have much more say where the money goes. We have a national infrastructure bank which is bigger than any rival and is ring fenced from the unashamedly 'biased towards the landlords politicians' that we have all had to put up with in my lifetime. Royalist masons banned from all banking positions and politics (because they condone abusing the tax payer it seems as long as the money ends up in their members hands . Also their idea that authority is more important than real action is absolutely 100% medieval barmy. Does anybody really think Ezekial could have invented any of the things we have. I don't
People could refuse to vote until a debt repayment and refocusing to building the future economy was arranged. Historians would not be able to ignore writing up the reasons which would mean the reasons and the disgraceful behaviour of the establishment was not buried- perhaps. This is very important , i think. Because they have shown that the interests of the landlords is more important to them than climate change. propping up ineffectual leaders/elite is more important to them . Not investing personally, volunteering pay cuts or sacrificing a lifestyle is not important to them.
If JF and the other building and building supply directors can still 'award' themselves crooked pay and bonus packages the nothing is beign learned from fred Goodwin IMO

thank you BBC . We have some figures. The bailout cost taxpayers £1 trillion (so far i presume). In good times profits were privatised and post 2008 the pain was nationalised BUT the beneficiaries have kept all their undeserved pensions and bonuses that were paid.
Conclusion (mine) All these should be paid back in full. (relevant to PSN and all the other cheating building supply and house builders directors who rushed to award themselves completely undeserved bonuses and increased wages AFTER they realised there would be, inexplicably, no tax payer lien on their bailed out assets) Will BBC now look at crown estate also. Increased wages? Bonuses also?
Nige and TMT can keep talking to each other but i as a tax payer have had enough. I wanted to build the green energy infrastructure we need in my lifetime but instead i am on the hook to bail out the assets of a lot of landlords who are clearly gaming the system for their own benefit. And what am i being bullied to invest in? A lot of epc failure property? And I am being forced to invest in undeserved bonuses and increased wages to people who are acting ,through self interest, AGAINST the best interests of the country and also , one presumes . an elite (no wage cuts post 2008/9) who have shown their colours and will continue to refuse to personally invest or invent or rise with personal effort and sacrifice to the imminent challenge.
Absolutely it is very important that everything is recovered for the tax payer through legislation. The bonuses, the increased wages and a lien ( belatedly) put on the assets of the big ( over 3 properties per family) landlords on behalf of the tax payer at 50% of these assets ( incl crown estate) so that these assets which were 90% bailed out can be either sold or borrowed against for green energy infrastructure, transport etc and further all repayment to tax payer be subject to a 4% p. a surcharge calculated from 2008.
Masonic involvement as a lobby be investigated and if shown to be true this organisation completely dismantled. I personally have little confidence they understand that crashing an economy and hoping to gain assets or influence is a completely unacceptable way to operate but that they are collectively so dim that they might try it anyway - and i don't want to be on the hook to sort that one out either...
Thanks lse
be good to have statements on above fro political or PM canditates and not crazy fob offs. It did really happen!!! so do something

i am discussing shares Dunane. Trying to get to bottom of how building co. directors, site owners, building supply co.s think they are entitled to pay themselves a bonus of any sort after they were so blatantly rescued at expense of green and future economic investment (derived from austerity .....). I think again they should be all be submitted for psychological testing as per people with criminal tendencies?
Where did i mention JFK ...
''are you referring to the massive undeserved cheating bonuses and probably increased wages (free media where are you??) that the c.90% tax payer bailed out site and property owners paid themselves with diddling small print. Still don't know how they got away with it.Why don't big landlords suffer the losses from their storm. Wait is it because they have nobbled the political system with their royalist masonic stooges who only arrive in office to leave later having made the landlords richer and society more unequal and of course not having contributed in the slightest to global warming response. So TB and GB increase property prices. DC and GO screw tax payer to rescue them and now here comes BJ to screw the tax payer more for his dinner club friends IMO. When do royalist masons, big landlords , site owners , crown estate pay back the huge resources they have stolen so we can secure green energy supply and build foundation for next generation (pass on butlering and gardening jobs thanks!)
It looks like never because they have invented a twilight world that makes sure it is enshrined (with helpful hammer religions) that they never have to understand anything or get involved and most definitely never pay and as per post 2008/9 run off with a generations money shamelessly as well. No wonder JF and all the other builder and builder supply directors and big landlords and crown estate think they are above the law? Foolishly i thought we were all in this together!!!!!! How stupid is that. Must have had a proper education and not become an endemic cheat by passing through university system??''
masonc underbelly! - looks more like masonic overbelly. Somehow society will fall apart unless the property system and all connected jobs are bailed out? Did anyone consider the economic actions post 2008/9 that didn't need to bailout this sector and power bases also??? Why not. Seems damn convenient! Or build in recovery clauses to return funds to tax payer
so again it looks like the bonuses and increased wages are paid to this sector because they think they can act with impunity. Not board up palaces or find alternative uses. Not train and educate next generation and ensure assets/finance are available at reasonable rate for them to build new economy. No its repair and consolidate economic assets into their hands so ? they can then invest later? They will never and will never try as honestly or hard as they should. 10 years and waiting for sacrifices and pay back for the country and for people they love? GL

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