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The full benefits of Brexit list ? Has that been posted here ? Sorry must have missed it.
Please re-post, if you can. We need to get them to all those leading Leave campaigners, that have changed their mind.
As 50:50 is divisve, and not decisive, it's eroded the fabric of the 'U'K, and so I think the benefits accrue to Putin. He backed it, after all. Don't say you haven't read the Russia Report.

'No one knows whether Brexit has worked or not. We will know by 2032' Cummings said recently in Parliament Committee .
Anyone got any idea where the year 2032 comes from ? Is it based on any real data ?
The UK manufacturers association, MAKE UK, doesn't report any benefits.
The UK has just had to recruit 50,000 extra red tape checkers, as the government decided to leave the Customs Union. Leading Leave campaigners promised 'There was no questoin of leaving the Single Market'. It was a lie.
And some people here ( paid troll farmers perhaps ) insist it's all about democracy. Even though 16.4 m voted for a 2nd referendum in 2019 election, while 14.6 m voted for a famous , but misleading slogan.
I thought we'd see 'immediate benefits, no downside, only upside' ?

We used to have the right to work, live and study in the 27 democracies, next door. We don't have those rights any more.
What's there to like about that ? Please don't use name-calling as a substitute for discussion, debate. That's called Culture Wars. Putin likes it if the 'U'K attacks itself , and is divided.

The long term geopolitical effects of leaving the worlds largest free trading (and political) block have not really kicked in yet.
Stop giving the impression that 'it's Done'. We haven't got an agreement on financial services yet. That's the UK's largest sector, isn't it ? Isn't Lloyd's part of the financial sector ?

There are no 'Remainers', or 'Leavers', its a media play. Many have changed their mind - in both directions, to a certain extent, though the majority are now 'Bregretters'. (Another made up categorical label ). 'Brexit' is a single word for a very long term, complex geopolitical re-alignment process. It is not 'Done'. For starters, due to the way the UK government decided to give up membership , we have just recruited 50, 000 extra red tape checkers. At the same time, the government are trying to get rid of 92, 000 civil servants. Not really a great success, is it , so far ? Cummings claims no-one will know whether its a success before 2032. How he plucked that date out of the air , I don't know.
At the same time, the government

It's name calling, rather than using reason. It's obvious, and you're inflaming the discussion quite deliberately.

Define 'The establishment', when trying to give the impression that the advisory opinion poll had 'Do you want to stop the Establishment?' as it's implied wording. Orwell highlighted how such categorisation can be used to manipulate us all. 'Brexit' ... nice simple short word, for a complex geopolitical process, that going to take decades.
I take it 'The Establishment' doesn't include all the billionaires that backed the Leave vote, like Britain's richest man, Jim Ratcliffe. Or Roger Hargreaves, the billionaire who set up Hargreaves Landsdown ? Or Jacob Rees Mogg, owner of Wentworth Estate ? Or Viscount Rothermere III , the non-dom billionaire owner of the Daily Mail ? Or the billionaire owner of Wetherspoons ? (OK he's not hereditary billionaire , so legitimately not 'Establishment'). Or Rupert Murdoch - hereditary billinaire. etc. Won't go on.

Actually I do have questions about the process of the advisory referendum :
1. Why were the SNP told the poll was 'only advisory', so were denied a debate on whether there should be a double majority.
2. Why was there no 'Don't know' option, given that about 1/3 of electorate didn't know which they were going to vote until the last week ?
3. Why was 50:50 taken to be decisive, rather than divisive ?

Childish name-calling - 'Remoaner' for example - shows a lack of ability to make a case using detailed analysis. Not good for an investment .
17.4 million is 37% of the electorate. Not the whole country.
63% did not vote to leave the European Union. Fact.

Yep. And are these divisive movements backed by hostile foreign states, like the Russia Report said ?

The SNP were denied a vote in Parliament, over whether there should be a 'double majority' (Scotland majority, plus rest ). The reason they were denied a democratic debate ? Lord Livingstone said the referendum was 'only advisory'. Funny that. So, a 50:50 majority requirement turned from 'advisory' to 'compulsory'. Is that democracy now ?
Putin likes 'freedom' 'independence' movements. Divide and Weaken. I'm sure you know about it.

If the EU tears itself apart, who will be rubbing their hands in glee ? Read the Russia Report ?

"No one on earth knows whether Brexit was a good or bad idea for Britain" Dominic Cummings, lead architect of the £350 million per week slogan
“I argue, as a Brexiteer, that we need to take a long deep breath. We need to swallow our pride, and think again. Maybe it means rethinking the Brexit decision altogether,” Peter Oborne, former leading Brexit campaigner, chief political editor at Telegraph.

Still, 37% voted for it once, in 2016. Now all opinion polls show no majority in favour., and a swing against the cultish idea. But, hey, this is democracy. Let's crack on, and let no - one change their minds, in the light of actual evidence. Or lack of.

50,000 extra form filling bureacrats.
32,000 bureacrats in the EU Commission.

UK exports to EU at all time high ? How so ? I thought we'd left the Single Market ? Are you referring to the Cult of Brexit government sources ?
The Cult has just recruited an extra 50,000 form filling bureacrats, to deal with the extra paperwork that the UK has inflicted on itself. How much are 50,000 new staff costing ?

The split in 2019 was 47:53 (majority in favour of 2nd referendum).

Doesn't matter. Still divisive.

50:50 isn't decisive. It's divisive.

Doesn't matter which way you voted (supposedly)

ZHC means you have to show total loyalty to your employer. But, you are self employed. That means they show you no loyalty.
If the UK employment market were booming, ZHC's couldn't exist, because an employee could use market conditions to go where they get a better deal.

'I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride'
Peter Oborne, ex chief political editor at the Telegraph.
Of course, he shouldn't be allowed to change his mind. That is disobeying the Will Of The People.

Wrote 2 articles - 1 in favour of Remain, beginning 'think of your children' , the other in favour of Leave. Wrote Telegraph article 'Quitting the EU won't solve our problems'.
No beliefs, no compass. Any way the wind blows. A man sacked from the Times, for lying. How many of us here would make it to PM, after being sacked, if we hadn't gone to Eton ?
Anyone genuinely care about this country, will be concerned. The rest are playing online games.