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Opportunity cost will start to bite, me included, soon if no announcement. The progress and company are moving well BUT are too quiet after saying MDA in the next few weeks months and months ago and nothing yet.
An easy hold in theory but the question is how long towhen investment could be gaining elsewhere, I don't think any holders doubt the company or it coming good, more just how long do we wait with nothing happening. How much opportunity cost do I take? That's the issue.
MKA have to make announcements soon or in the next month or so I wouldn't blame some retail holders getting frustrated, as i am, but been 3 years so personally keeping held for now.
Comms and some updates are due on the MDA to be fair no matter how positive it appears, until the company confirms MDA out or on track the doubt will persist.
Come on MKA :)
Did you... just refer to yourself in the 3rd person like an infallible knowledge fountain?
Clearly you are very very knowledgable of Avacta, far more than myself but that is pretty funny. Have some humility mate ??
Garbage.
On barclays, just got a quote for 5000 instantly.
No idea why people make up such tosh.
And avacta will or won't come good, rampers and derampera are as bad as each other. Bired of all of them. Anyone in just do your own thing, have yiur own sell out price. So ignore the "it's worth 20 billion" it's worth whatever you want to sell it for.
And innthe same breath ignorw deramp plebs shoutinf unsubstantiated *******s on placings and this and that.
None of them know any more than each other, all we know is what Avacta says.
Just an Avacta holder bored ****less of the 3 year merry go round of ramping deramping people claiming to know x and y.
Sell it for whatever price you want, buy it for wht you want, it will win or fail, don't listen to anyone else but yourself.
Rant over.
Why would they get funding at a premium of 80-100% above current price?
I'm not panicking, i'm concerned and discussing. I assume that's what a discussion board is for.
Not being super mega positive does not mean panicking.
Thanks for the response.
My issue there though is how these help funding and shareholder value. As oxford finance is warrants then a low sp and mcap means dilution on warrants fpr funding.
I'm wondering what they are doing to be funding and give shareholder value, i understand it's a early stage bio but it's a hard hold right now. I can't see how we don't get diluted into the floor or what news they can release imminently that will give value.
As funding will cause lower value per current share and trial results are a long way off.
When Oxford financing was announced the statement said there were multiple catalysts throughout 2021 and 2022.
Now we are talking about milestones or waiting for this and that, this is due etc etc.
What catalysts have 4D ACTUALLY delivered over 2 years, what have they ACTUALLY done to imply they will deliver growth in the future?
That isn't rhetorical it's a genuine question, as over 2 years of holding I really can't see what has been achieved or delivered to give confidence moving forward. And once you're worried about an investment rather than excited it's hard to hold.
People have been saying that for ages tbh.
They need to update and actually move forward as implied, long waiting game at the moment.
If no BFS by end of June, as repeatedly promised, I will question the progress actually occurring instead of assuming all good behind the scenes.
That's just my idiot view though.
Utter assumption Ophidian.
You have no idea what Bronte and Jupiter are doing, unless you work for them or know someone giving inside information. Stop talking like you are in the know when in reality you are like me or anyone else and know nothing. As your claims in the past show.
After 2 years of this garbage credibility of a few like yourself and Joe Hond has been smashed into useless mush, yet you guys still sit on a high horse. It is so frustrating to keep seeing it, it's doing more damage to the company now than good.
Everything wrong with assumptions and conjecture comes from garbage like that. Didn't you have information HUA and sales end of Nov?
If there had not been assumptions and the talk of people who claim to know whats going on the Avacta SP would be much higher and the company seen as a bigger success instead of one with big claims and lack of delivery.
It will recover IF it recovers. IF avacta deliver substantially on the wok they are doing, i trust they will, but so far they have not.
Very witty. I do hope you send me your screenplay if it's full of clever gems like that.
Case and point individuals like yourself are the problem. Someone says a logical thing about the company that isn't about having an erection the moment the word Avacta appears and the response is a bad pun.
Good luck with your investments, and your SATS exams.
So great wise Ophidian says AVA6K has had no adverse affects, like it's fact. And herin lies the bastard problem.
No adverse but nothing positive either, we're in the dark. The assumption of this and that is what has caused the SP action and sentiment - a lack of actual results tying into the assumptions and hopes.
Until the company updates us then the whole "no news is good news" is just ANOTHER leap of faith we are supposed to have.
For god sake Avacta do something positive, no wonder people are jumping.
It isn't trolls, it's the actual results, the announcements the company itself has made.
This is not the gov, it's not the trolls - it is Avactas claims of achieving x and y and not doing so - THAT is the reason for this drop and current SP and sentiment.
I've held, increased, wish i'd cashed out, still hold LT
but Avacta really needs to shift itself to another line of communication and results, as if not is quickly heading down the route of another company that talked a big game and delivered **** all.
@Ophidian I don't claim to share substance, i don't know more than others. At all. Never claimed to.
You however do, and anything you have shared has been for your own gain and you turned out to be no more informed than anyone else. You act high and mighty then you whinge when scrutinised, and act like people are morons who can't understand it when they question you're, (generally wrong), bull****. It matters because your gumpf sways people, and it's been going on for months and months.
You live in a greenhouse man, don't throw stones if you cant take a window breaking when one is thrown back. You opened yourself to it.
Case and point - complaining on getting attitude then giving attitude.
I am going to leave it there, because I'm not getting into some forum tit for tat. I have however left a few typos if you need to reply with something, instead of addressing anything valid.
Yes i do.
However responding to all i said with a typo comment, (which is a sure sign of someone with nothing else to say), when i'm on my phone and don't care about said typos cements my point on you knowing jack **** more than anyone else whilst simultaneously sitting on a self righteous high horse. Addressed nothing there did you, shocker.
Lets not do tit for tat, it is what it is. I'm good with my typos, you have your "better than you" attitude and constant forced garbage.
I'm good to leave it there to be honest. Sorry - im good to leave it their to be honest.
I agree the results compared to what was claimed to be in the works / happening is garbage.
I'm still in avacta, it is my biggest holding by a way. I like Myles and he has very sound logic, research.
But Ophidian and that Joehond on twitter are all about troll bashing, yet they talk absolute hog****. Its not the confidence of them that is annoying, its the whole high and mighty "im better than you and your an idiot as you dont understand how avacta is as good as im telling you it is" vibe.
Case and point Ophidian said hua and selling end of sept, 8 weeks later and low and behold nope. Hondjoe said for the last two weeks they were unblocking people to see the avacta news take off, like somehow it was a treat to get to see the great joehond, and so far nothing.
We all invest of invest of our own accord, but man it took a while to realise the positive crap talkers and not just the trolls. Those two are up there. No humility in being utterly wrong, somehow your the moron if you question it.
Im in avacta long and it can sit till it takes off or bombs as its an amazing opportunity, but the contant forcing in of positivity by some when the company is slow as **** is very frustrating. Just shush all and let it play out as it plays out like.
I'd agree. Revenue up 123%. Considering 8 odd million investment and 8 odd million owed by the governement, which they expect to be resolved, then the results aren't bad. And that is without the Avacta test flying out.
So tbh that little line on funding, NOT a placing so could be anything, for me is a caveat saying it just in case but as long as avactas tests start up and the gov money is in i see no issue.
Thata just my views though.
Cut that garbage icecool. Its a loss if you sell.
Its a loss its a loss. If it was worth 10k on papaer and is now 7k its a loss. End of. Paper money is money. It was worth 10 its now 7. You had more, now have less.
Ridiculous comments people make, 'buys as sells' 'mm keeping it down' 'only a loss if you sell' ,about to rocket' etc. Standard **** that people convince themselves its out of their responsibility.
A loss is a bastard loss.
I have to get to work so any lack of repsonse is that now, but to anyone whos on the fence do not take my words as against avacta, far from it.
If i could buy it now instead i would, it has to be closer to playing out good or bad than it was. But the frustration of reading 18 mo ths of waffle and predictions, talk of this and that, to now have condescending attitudes of its all coming together, that the month of 'x' will be the driver, defending of a sp that has dropped 60 odd percent as if the people who are questioning that are the weak, just drove me into a frustrating holders rant today.
Good luck to all of you, remember regardless of who says what we all make our own decisions to buy or sell and its our responsibility. Cheers.
But icecool they have been 'progressing' for over a year.
And the best doesnt mean sales guaranteed. Best in class is not necessarily going to knock out those with contracts, first mover advantage, cheaper. In a perfect world best wins, but in many ways it doesnt as it is about business relationships, supply chains that have been set up. Avacta may certainly be the best but at business growth evidently they are not, i really hope i eat those words but just being logical looking at the last months how can another conclusion really be made.
My whole point is that they have been 'progressing' 'looking to' expand for so long that those words means nothing unless actual results are given. We should not as investors have blind faith these things will be achieved when they have not in so much time.
I want them to, i hope they do, but i struggle to believe that i am one of the few with this mindset. Fool me once and all that. Well delay on me several times.
Mustang, zoom, that is my point entirely.
The people stating avacta can do no wrong just cannot be honest at times and blame the gov, blame process, blame delays, but just wont blame avacta or its own timelines. It is always something else and i just feel after 18 months of that we should really be saying wait is it avacta, are they ACTUALLY going to deliver a quarter of what they have stated.
Thats all, lets all sides be fair. The gov has been garbage, but avacta should have made more progress and branched further than it has, by its own aims and statements, which is so unbelievably frustrating. Because as holders we only have to go on statements, and what is said, we dont know the inner workings and there has been so many missed this and that that at this point the talk of rerates and next month feels more condescending than anything else. Like we should just believe that, and if we dont have utter utter faith then somehow as a holder youre a troll or get talked down on.
Avactas own announcements are what matter, nothing else now. The whole talk of next month, blaming everything else, rerate imminent, its all conjecture and useless as 18 months have proved until avacta themselves give information. Which by the way, i am going to wait for good or bad, i will die on this bastard avacta hill.