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It does seem to be converging towards an early January announcement. In previous years the company reported updates in January rather than December, and this time there is the prospect for a really good one.
I’ve got a more positive outlook as I go by what the RNS state not conjecture and speculation from PIs. The main problem has been this share has attracted a disproportionate number of doom mongers which accounts for why the SP is so low. You could say it is lower than it should be because the RNS have been very positive and yet not reflected in the SP. I can understand why people who bought in at much higher prices are upset but the fact is this is now a very good entry price with potentially a lot of upside. There is obviously the risk of fundraises as with any AIM share reaching for commercialisation but the SP drop associated with the last fundraise had already recovered two months down the line from the fundraise. So based on the last RNS the outlook is promising. If you’re going to bet your house on it, then don’t go for AIM shares, as the risks are high, but also potential rewards even higher!
You still haven’t explained why you bought in last week if you see a problem which you are now suggesting? Either you are ramping it down to buy in some more or you are telling porkies. There haven’t been any significant trades and the only reason it is low is because of the negative talk which is probably built on impatience when balanced against the last RNS. I think you were one of the doom mongers swearing blind there would be a fund raise by June this year....then July....then August, but we still haven’t had one and again proven wrong, but every month you spouted unfounded nonsense about the SP being doomed because of an imminent fundraise over the summer you drove PIs away. The fact is all new starts do fundraises but the track record with AFC is it doesn’t take long for the SP to rise back to prefundraise levels. Also the BOD will know the SP is lower than it should be and that it shifts significantly on very small volume of trades so big investors will be persuaded to buy in at what the company is actually worth not at artificially low prices which are a reflection of doom mongers nonstop spouting nonsense for a year.
So you’ve said you bought in last week and then your next posting said who would buy in now with prospects of a fundraise. Sounds like some porkies are being told. Don’t really believe anything you say after your scaremongering post earlier in the year spouting doom and gloom due to the late submission of accounts, which in time was proven to be hot air and no problem at all.
There seems to be growing interest in this technology now in the Far East and re-reading the RNS and the prospects of the off grid containerised solution seem massive. I hope the Southern system comes online to schedule in 2019 so the rest can follow. I still think this one has huge potential when compared to other startups and with such a low entry level is now a real bargain! Buy low sell high!
I’ve seen that before on other shares, when it is low volume and moves on a dime they won’t always give you the listed sell price when you attempt to cash in, it goes to ‘negotiated order’ and you get what they give you. There is normally a max order quantity that the sell price applies and if you go above it with sell or buy the price is worse always in the MMs favour.
Does anyone have any experience of how much difference a highly skilled lawyer makes? I’m not convinced it makes any difference in a country like India, and would think judgements are more politicised than logical but I guess that risk is reflected in the share price. The spread is a bit worrying at 50% as it has to rise 50% just to get your money back and that might put people off buying until closer to the court ruling. There is always hope though
I've looked at the HDY website but it says the court battle will go on into 2019. Does anyone know if this is still the current situation?
BumbleB, I agree with what you said. Small volume trading shares are quite often driven by sentiment, as it only takes a few tens of thousands to move the SP a few percentage points for a multimillion pound company. Anyone who thinks that it takes 5% of the total number of shares to be bought/sold to move the share price by 5% has been very misled. Check out the trading volumes for a given SP move and you can see. That is why boards like this actually do make a difference and AFC SP has suffered because PIs have been put off by the negativity. I think it’s not AFCs fault as they have done exactly what they said they would do this year since the new order of things. MMs have to balance the books so if no one sells and some buy the SP goes up disproportionately. That’s why I think negative talk makes a difference. Everyone is entitled to an opinion of course but I would say it’s worth while for everyone invested if we don’t speculate and predict doom. No one invested in AFC should think it’s not going up otherwise logically they would sell. So deep down we must all believe it’s going up
Not sure I agree. Sowing negative comments naturally encourages selling so causes the SP to drop. Therefore it’s a self fulfilling prophecy and not really correct to say its not doomsaying because you’re proven to be right. If course you’re proven right because your own comments drive the price down. If there was more positive comments it would drive it up and you would also be proven right in that instance. I think it’s the speculation that’s damaging because it’s not based on fact but driven by fears of what might be. I truly believe there is a lot to look forward to with AFC and we are closer than we have ever been to success. There have been no major setbacks of note, only good news from AFC, steady progress yet the SP still ends down. I think those that bail out at these prices will be gutted in the not too distant future though. But low and sell high, so now is the time to buy.
Today’s news is positive from a perspective that AFC have broken radio silence and are back in the frame of providing updates. That alone will result in a major correction in the SP as it is what caused the drop in the first place. Secondly the southern contract is progressing nicely and pretty confident now we will see a system in place by June next year. Still lots of good news to go this year too according to the objectives set. De Nora are still on board so there is huge potential in the product. Clean energy is also getting bigger and we have an exMP ideal for lobbying government to bring a level playing field with solar and wind in terms of subsidies. We can match them with no subsidies but with equivalent subsidies the AFC solution is miles more cost effective. Dunsfold is also pending and could be announced soon. It looks pretty good to me!
The MMs haven’t killed it, 10% is what the spread always used to be and it never stopped it on good news before. What has killed it is the doommongers our in force today. Seem to enjoy looking for the negative and shooting themselves in the foot, nirhing but moaning. Moaning when there is no news, moaning when there is some news, moaning and making negativity somehow from good news. I doubt whether some of these people are invested in AFC but still feel they want to comment and drag it down on good news
BumbleB: yes De Nora are definitely in there, just seems like some people like looking for the negative and ‘overlook’ the facts. I must say you have to try hard not to feel like things are moving in the right direction. It’s got great potential and we’re getting pretty close
This is all looking very good. AFC have started issuing progress updates again and this can only be good for the SP. Well done to those who wrote in. This could be a very good year after all and a great entry price currently for new investors. The next 6 to 12 months will price very exciting! Watch the SP go through the roof!
I can’t believe what a bunch of whiners there are on here. The SP goes up nearly 60% in a day and still the depressants come out in force. Unbelievable! AFC has everything going for it, loads of potential, a product close to commercialisation, an order in Australia which will showcase the product, lots of pipeline opportunities, only issued successive good news. Everything is in place. If I were looking at AFC today I’d look at the announcements and the facts and ignore whiners with unfounded stories and snap this one up while the price is artificially low before the correction happens.
Well it’s been a good day and maybe finally if people realise the only reason this share has suffered lately is the negative talk which seems to fill every silent period. Looking at the announcements they have all been really encouraging this year and it’s clear that there is a lot of key objectives coming up in a short period which amounts to a major correction upwards in the SP. I’m positive of ending the year on a high with this one. And very welcome that will be. There is a correction upwards coming which will overtake the negative talk.
This share is going to fly this week folks, expect to see more objectives achieved soon and end the year on a high! We have a good last quarter in store if you look back over the years announcements. Well done to those that wrote in, people are aware we PIs care and I expect we’ll see more positive news to reflect the reality. Feel sorry for those who sold yesterday, not too late to by back in though!
The only thing I disagree with is the commercial plant at envia never showed commercial viability. It never became cash flow positive never mind cover the installation cost so miles away from even breaking even. Then it failed in a way they chose to pull the plug on it. That to me gives me a few worries! Also the fund raised are massive when they come to pay for the infrastructure and I for one was hit by the massive dilution in January. Long term investment in this company is VERY risky due to that reason. If envia was a success and making profit they would not have hesitated to fix it. But it was making a loss and therefore they pulled the plug. A commercial reference plant that makes a loss despite best efforts its worth nothing like this share