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I would expect the CIC (Chinese Investment Corporation) to show their hand with us too at some point. As the Chinese Belt and Road initiative reaches its questionable and dubious tentacles further across the globe I think we shall no doubt be in their sights. Not necessarily for a take over but certainly a major holding. With a major stake of 12.5% in Russisn potash fertiliser Uralkali in their hands our disruptive product shall surely be on their radar. Those figures are from 2013 as I can't find out any more recent.
For a few years now we've been talking on here about major Investment Institutions building up sizeable stakes once stage 2 was confirmed. Despite the $500m bonds yet to be sold it seems clear that process is now underway. Once implied strategies by such investment houses are laid bare then perhaps at these levels holdings shall be rapidly increased whilst there is still the opportunity.
Personally I don't see much of a correlation between recent OO and the aftermath of Stage 1 OO now that these sovereign wealth funds and major investment houses have put their heads above the parapet.
RuSirius
You seem to be blaming Fraser for Yuen Low's forecast?
Also, did Fraser promise you a J curve or, as you stated, was such a thing just his thought it could be about to happen?
Don't put yourself down by saying you're inexperienced in the stock market. Your posts are always refreshingly honest with a keenness to learn. Your posts show a patience, vision and belief lacking by many with many years of investing behind them. No good having one year's experience fifty times.
If this is your first share then you've picked a good one to cut your teeth on. I wish there had been social media and bulletin boards like this in my early trading days. Come to think of it I wish there had been companies like Sirius.
Some shareholders would do well to remember that they are themselves owners of Sirius and so, ipso facto referring to their own workforce.
The same people would also do well to remember that the only private investors who have helped the company get to this stage are those who partaked in the IPO many years ago and those who partook in subsequent open offers. Holdings obtained through other means were merely the shuffling of shares.
Those holding long and strong here aren't necessarily emotionally attached or revering CF in god like status, merely investors with more patience and a greater sense of perspective.
Jonesrichard
I've called our headquarters on a number of occasions when wanting to know things as e mails tend not to get a reply or a perfunctory answer.
I'd suggest you call them to ask about the opening ceremony.
You probably do right to put a question mark after that figure.
I wouldn't mention it to the point of ad nauseum and I'd never reveal my holding in any stock. Neither would I use it as a non sequitur to a post such as that by Scotman.
Massive thank you:
You've just won me a grand getting MrG to mention Dana petroleum. A friend of mine whose invested here and reads this BB but who couldn't be bothered to post proffered the bet to me after stage 2 funding announcement and our 'no dilution' member went quiet.
Think I'll put my winnings into Sirius.
Sell in May and go away is the old adage.
Trouble is they never said when to come back. Probably April.
Hi Myo
I'm away for the weekend with only a wind up phone and no access to Twitter ( whatever that is to a dinosaur like me). Would appreciate a brief overview of those trials if you have a spare moment.
Thanks in advance.
It's nothing like what you've described at all.
Your comparison is as inaccurate as it illogical.
And you could vote with your feet and walk away by selling up. As you could have done at a price much higher than today.
Fraser stated long ago that debt would be no more than $3bn (happy to be corrected on that if I'm wrong). Dilution was always coming. Surely a well tuned in, savvy investor having done even the most basic research could see that coming? As for blaming Fraser for supposed leaks is just ridiculous.
I hope those banking our money when we buy a load more shares at 15p don't think we're doing nothing to help the company's progress.
I for one certainly consider I am if I take up my offer.
Surely long term?
I'd be surprised if such wealth funds made transient investments in companies like ours. Now that they are moving out of oil and gas our venture looks to be a perfect long term play for them.
Maybe this could help lift the fog of doom and gloom which has descended over many the past week. A fog which in my opinion is way over the top judging by many posters reactions to stage 2. Dilution was always coming. I'm amazed at how many investors are surprised by its extent.
It is tempting to try to get shares lower than the 15p we're being offered, but in doing so we long term holders must not lose sight of the reason for this offer
Namely, to keep our company afloat and going forward. Sometimes in making money you have to look at and consider the bigger picture.
750,000 sell verses Norwegian sovereign wealth fund? Brings to mind the old adage: sometimes people have to sell but they never have to buy.
Some key words and phrases there for you to focus on and within which lies where to point your finger of blame: desire, hope and remains our goal.
Like Mr J-curve's (as your self imposed frustration repeatedly calls him) term 'intended' was used in one of his official statements last year when referring to all debt, so too were those phrases used that you now hang on for some sense of misguided blame.
No deception or duplicitous actions here, merely lazy investors failing to undertake necessary research.
States he first bought in at 7.5p with an average of 12p, yet his protestations about 'Mr J-curve' and the 'shyster' BOD go back as far as the delay in the planning application being put back a year. So it begs the question why anyone with that average, feeling like they do would continue to trust someone with their money when they could have sold out up to a Max of 52p theteby making over 400% on their investment.
For God's sake Prevost don't get putting up links like that as you'll have half this BB jumping out of windows like they did in '29 and on the way down they'll be cursing 'Mr J- curve' for not warning of it in the prospectus.
At the end when that storm cloud settled there was a lone figure standing on a high point as the tsunami flowed all around him waving a share certificate and with a contented smile on his face. I couldn't swear to it but it looked like a certain MrG.
HopefulDave I really enjoyed reading your post with your overview of our 'That Was The Week That Wasn't'. For me as a long termer it's exactly how I see things. I couldn't have summed it up better. Nice to get a calm, measured and thoughtful sense of perspective. Main thing you mention, as I've said myself many times on here, is not to wish time away.
We're all here to obviously make money and buying shares offered at 15p can make us all seriously consider doing so if we can possibly get them instead at a lower price as some are musing and wondering. However, those of us who claim to be serious, long term investors shouldn't forget the purpose of this offer for what is the continued operation of our company.
A short fall in the offer with it being under subscribed would no doubt be taken up elsewhere but in doing so could send out the wrong signals.
It's our company and our decisions should look further than a quick buck that could be made for the sake of a possible penny or so between our entitlements and what we could get on the open market.
Felt like you were shafted at stage1 by a shyster BOD and you still hold shares!
I'd have been out long ago if I felt like that.
They were 27p a short while ago. And you still held at that price feeling like you do.
I think you need to reconsider your investment criteria and look a bit closer to home for the cause of your wealth erosion.
Boulby sales up 30%. All good for our product's profile.