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I'm in it for the long haul... sticking around till there's a few plants on the ground and to see phe finally turning a decent profit from the license fees. I think this could be big. I'm in it to see this turn to 25p/50p/£1. In context 2p is not much of a movement in sp - for me and my abitions. The real money will come with operational plants. All I was saying. Not going to see the big money till there's plants.
" You guys "
No it's one guy with that statement !!
2p is very realistic. Yes.
It might go up 1 or 2p on various news before we have some plants operational but to see the 12p's and £1 targets you guys are banging on about reaching its going to take operational plants charging license fees. Only time will tell. I've read comments this is reaching £1 on the FTU opening, thats a laughable comment. Never mind what I'm saying. It's going to take plants
Manufacturers are also looking at developing Ammonia based combustion engines.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gac-and-toyota-develop-ammonia-engine-90-co2-reduction
In terms of hydrogen fuelled cars, there's a lot of hurdles to get over. Besides the cost and BEV's, minimal forecourts will have the space to store enough to last a day; due to it's density, it takes up a huge amount of space compared petrol.
The alternative would be to have ammonia in forecourts and crack that to deliver hydrogen on site, thereby topping up your own hydrogen storage tanks. Or maybe Ammonia engines are the way forward.
Still too many unknowns to put values on these things. That said, maritime and rail will be going Ammonia and converting it to hydrogen in situ.
Jamaljamanji Once we get a few plants up and running we will be laughing, before that happens I don't see much happening in regards to sp.
That's an absolutely ridiculous statement.
ATB to the Genuine Investors.
Posters should not get 'carried away' with HFC cars. China is the World leader but the 'cost effective' cars are too small and would not qualify as Gamily Cars in Eu. At the moment Fuel Cells are too expensive fo 'family' cars, and are a significant proportion of the total car cost. The HFC cars available in UK are 'high end' models', and are £70/68K. The overwhelming main market is in HGV, trains, ships, commuter aircraft and public transport.
For the umpteenth time on this site, I will express my belief that the way to sell DMG is the elimination of plastic waste and tyres from society, with Stngasas a product, and H2 production as an add on if required. With new Solid State batteries coming to the market place, the case for BEV's is overwhelming, with distance of 1000Km +, and charging times in minutes. Give it another 2 years max. Our streets will be 'cleaner' for us and our kids, with no Carcinogenic particles in the air. Bring it on.
BTW, Biden is under pressure in USA to ban Chinese car imports as being detrimental to USA car mfrs. One would have hoped, being a market based economy, that it would want to compete with them on a 'fair' basis. Use tariffs to slow demand.
Jamal,
You have not factored in Engsolve and their contract and other add ons
Completely disagree only with that statement
Considering where we were the S.P. is way below where we 'Should be' even Considering the amount of shares.
Once we get a few plants up and running we will be laughing, before that happens I don't see much happening in regards to sp. It's all about operational DMG units. That is our product. We charge license fees, gate fees and hydrogen prices matter nothing to to sp at present they just mean our product is good for potential investors. Revenue is key. IMO
Aren't companies already shipping hydrogen as a liquid form? The market for hydrogen is growing daily as we strive for cleaner energy, PHE will be providing the tech to allow this to happen in a much greener way.
Most of us invested in PHE have picked them as like National Hydrogen, we see merit in their process (greener, cleaner world). As for the share price, this will naturally increase, the first real pump will be later this year when the scaled demo plant comes on line.
Swazers, your comments without any relevant facts / sources are simply your opinion. My investments aren't based on someone ramping or deramping a share as you do. The words you choose are emotive and ramping, massive momentum & massively highlight...., stratosphere, world....
You then say, all arguments against PHE are futile – sounds like a line from Star Trek or Star Wars – ‘resistance is futile’
PHE may hit multiples of the current price, or not. I'm not downgrading PHE, simply asking questions from an investment POV, which you can't substantiate.
There are plenty of countries who need hydrogen plants like Australia to keep up supply and demand of Hydrogen car and vehicle manufacture.
Looks like PHE are set to rapidly fill that gap !!
Castle
China
China
Hydrogen fuel cell cars originate in Japan and South Korea, which still dominate the market for hydrogen vehicles today. China is capturing the advantage of hydrogen to decarbonize buses and trucks with about 85% market share of hydrogen commercial vehicle shipments in 2021.
Good morning All
red all I know stated by phe is there hydrogen will be sold at a competitive price due to gate fees , self sufficient fuel chamber running on its own created syngas .
Its about Saving the planet of plastic, all them old tyres no more incineration or land fill keeping in line with Net 0 and legislation 2030 ,, PHE is not a idea, its really happening . You any many other sceptical people will find out before Christmas with the Technology Centre opening not sure the price of the stock then 🤔 it could really escalate.
Not forgetting HGVs can nearly double there milage on Hydrogen even though the cost per 1 kilo ie the same as 1 gallon is higher but its really about net 0 and untreatable plastic 👍
Hydrogen busses in the uk
Castle
@red_hornet It won't be government subsidies that will catapult #PHE into the stratosphere. It will be its ability to produce energy from waste. Bridgend will be part of the catalyst that will create massive momentum & massively highlight the unique & property technologies this company have to offer the world. Arguments that attempt to compartmentalize & downgrade what #PHE will offer are futile.
Castle - do you know how much the government are subsidising the buses in Birmingham and how long that’s in place for.
Hydrogen is a standard 0.074 kg per cubic metre. You mentioned PHE will compress the Hydrogen in to tubes, but what does this equate to in terms of kg/metre cubed?
Birmingham cc Hydrogen fuel for buses are subsidised by the uk gov at the moment..
I'm expressing how important the use of Hydrogen in busses, hgv etc are that's phe market , PHE Hydrogen will be competitive due to manufacturing
methods ie gate fees and self sufficient .
+ were doing good sorting the plastic problem out compared to the costs and Ugley Ness of wind and solar farms
Castle
Castlepaul.
Birmingham CC will certainly not be buying H2 from PHE, either in the medium term or long term. It will store H2 in tanks in the bus depot, the H2 being sourced from the cheapest form of manufacture, which is Steam Reforming Natural gas. Cost is paramount, not if it's grey, green or blue. In the longer term H2 from electrolysis with electricity from wind, solar etc , if competitive, will be bought.
Hi red
PHE hydrogen will be compressed on site, so can be loaded onto tube trailers for onward transportation or can be piped to a near-by hydrogen fuelling centre
Castle - how are they doing the fueling?
Cheers
The West Midlands is already leading the way with 20 hydrogen double decker buses, bought by Birmingham City Council and operated by National Express West Midlands. It means the region will have 144 hydrogen buses on the streets, the largest fleet in the Western World.
12p is realistic when you consider we hit 6p in 2021 with the Linde tie in
Yes we will have plenty of main stream income coming in ,,, many bags here 12p will be smashed.
Blake Morgan , Sarah added: “It is great to get this deal done, which is a significant contract and stepping stone for PHE. This arrangement establishes a long-term relationship between Powerhouse and National H2, while also potentially providing a long-term income stream for PHE.
Castle
For those interested in H2 plus others in the Hub
https://unitedhydrogenlimited.com/
Apologies if previously posted.
Good morning
Yes red super power to turn tyres into syngas .
Manchester University Dr Amir Keshmiri has received government funding to work with PHE which 1.5 years later its being installed.
For the next generation of cleaner energy technology.