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The world is fcuked, 99.99% of world leaders are losers ( Jacinda Ardern exception ).
It's the man, woman & kids who always pay the price for failure and leaders actions ( the rich exception ).
And we keep voting them in..............unbelievable.
Regarding comments made, both points of view are right, but shouting louder and louder will change absolutely nothing.
****eye, is that really all you have.......utterly laughable......i pulled apart every single one of your non-sensical, illogical, moronic, unsubstantial claims and thats all you have as a rebuttal........what a pity
Straycat, go and Google the Azov Battalion then log out.
"Are you aware that huge swathes of the Ukrainian army are Neo-Nazi's? Heard of the Azov Battalion"
firstly define "huge swathes" and back it up with proof? secondly its open to debate whether the Azov Battalion are Nazis or simply far right, either way, walk me through your logic as to why millions of ordinary Ukrainians lives should be destroyed because of one battalion?
"As for you Indrid, Putin looking weak?"
yes he absolutely does, he categorically and undisputedly threatened Sweden and Finland with "complete destruction" should they apply for NATO membership. they applied and then what did he say, oh, "we have no problem with them joining, just dont put nukes there".....pmsl.......he's also threatened every single western country with war if they continue to supply Ukraine with weapons and keep applying sanctions.....and whats happened when we continue?.....pmsl
"We and the Americans have just had our arrise's handed to us by the sandal wearing Taliban"
firstly utterly disconnected from Ukraine so you point is moot, secondly the Brits and US left and thats when the Taliban swept across the country, so what on earth are you talking about. the Brits and US kept the Taliban at bay for 20 years, we beat them (literally the opposite of what you are claiming) and when we left there was no combat with the Taliban and western forces. so another point just pulled apart like warm moist bread.
"And Putin is looking weak? He has taken everything intended to take. Kiev is not his target. Donbas, Luhansk and the strategic southern ports are, and he's already taken one of them"
this has got to be one of the most hilarious and deluded takes i think i have read. that armoured 15 mile long convoy that sat to the north of Kyiv for week after week was there as what, just a decoy then.....hahahahahahahaha, for god sake wake up. he wanted to take to Kyiv, he wanted to install is own government in the capital, that would be the quickest most logical way to get Ukraine to capitulate. its like saying Stalin didnt want Berlin or Hitler didnt want Paris, utter nonsense.
"Surely you've noticed how the western media flip flop one day to the next from"
no i havent, the narrative is actually consistent unlike Russias, who rant and rave like lunatics, give their "final warnings" only to turn around and move the goal posts days later when they realise no one is scared of them anymore. dont forget these are men who have threatened that nuclear war is not off the table......if you cant see how desperate and pathetic that is, then there is simply no hope for you, there really isn't.
"Does Russia need to be any bigger? No, but then neither does NATO"
correct but if countries exercise their sovereign right to join NATO, thats fine. just because no one wants to join a ****hole of a country like Russia and their gang, is no ones fault but Russias. they just need to deal with it, rather than act like petulant bullies who dont get their way.
Yeah, you really nailed me there Indrid. What relevance has the Biden's crime family corruption in Ukraine? Really? GTFOH as the Americans would say.
Wow!
Now that’s what I call a proper rant.
A tirade of unsubstantiated propaganda.
No factual content, but delivered with a real passion.
Almost Talibanesque in its dedication…
Look C0ckeye, we could now embark on an exhaustive examination of modern European history covering the last 150 years and Russia’s part in it.
But that’s not what this bb is for.
And it would inevitably leave you hunkered down in your own small foxhole, screaming abuse at the unfair way Russia has suffered at the hands of the Neo-Fascist Capitalists that pepper the key political and commercial positions and interests in the so-called Free World.
As I write, it’s already happening, given bb poster reaction and your responses.
But I’m not going to do it. There’s no point.
I wish I could at least say I respected your position, given your particular circumstances, but I don’t.
Let’s get back to GKP eh?
'firstly its Kyiv' Haha, you easily led wally. How long have you been saying that? 2 months! lol
Do you pronounce Dublin in Gaelic/Erse also? Why not? Give it a try. lol
Truthsayer, Tony Blair is about to get the highest civil honour this nation can bestow, given directly by a monarch the same nation is about to honour. Barack Obama (who has a fortune of near $100 million), just 9 months into his Presidency was given the Noble Peace Prize, then dropped more drones on Iraq and Afghanistan than any of his predecessors and as the Sky 3 part doc details that the likes of Christopher Hitchens exposed 2 decades ago, Mother Teresa, now a saint, was actually the most vile sinner, who took money from the well meaning, didn't give aid to the dying and gave the money to the Vatican Bank instead.
This is BS world the Lemmings inhabit.
Take a look at George W Bush gaff from yesterday. It's all over the news. Something made him utter those words. Either an inner guilt or an external power.
****eye, i am not sure how any of your points are that relevant, make much sense or cant be countered very swiftly and easily. so lets take it point by point.
"A very odd war don't you think, where so many world leaders have been able to visit the centre of Kiev in shirts and ties and little fear"
firstly its Kyiv, not Kiev. and i dont get your point, are you saying the war doesnt exist because Kyiv isnt that unsafe since the Russians pulled back from there? have you seen the state of Bucha, kharkiv, Mariupol etc, etc, etc? so in your mind its not a war? if so what is it?
"One thing nearly all of them agree on is who is really at the centre of the current destruction of their country, the Americans! Who'd have thought it?"
i find that very, very hard to believe, but i suppose we just have to take your (sorry the "42 colleagues", lol) word for it. i dont doubt that certain Americans are rubbing their hands with glee how this is playing out, Russia are weakening themselves like no one thought possible, their perceived stature as a super-power has well and truly been utterly destroyed and its only China the US have to worry about now. but most sane and honest Ukrainians (and all other folk)
know who Putin is and what he is like. and its not American soldiers indiscriminately bombing civilians, killing children, raping women, murdering thousands of Ukrainians. Russia invaded, no one else. they made that choice. NATO were, and are never, going to attack Russia. same as Saddam never having WMD's, the pretence for the war is FAKE, utter lies.
"Joe Biden and his crack head son, Hunter, have been extorting millions of dollars from Ukraine for years, specifically its oil and gas company's. Now can you see the importance they might hold upon covering their crimes in this far flung eastern European nation, at whatever cost to the people there"
i dont quite understand what you are getting at, well i think i do but its so monumentally stupid i assume i must have it wrong. but are you saying the USA caused this war so it could cover up what Hunter Biden has done? if so then my god you need help. if not, then what are you going on about?
"Are you aware that the current President (a former Comedian with a reported $1.4 squirreled away)"
again, what is the relevance of this and where is the proof? and even if true do you think that is fraction of what Putin has "squirreled away" at the expense of his own people?
"Ukraine who are pro and ethnically Russian and want to be part of Russia and that is what is happening. You know, the United Kingdom makes claim to the 6 counties of Northern Ireland and the partition of Ireland on the same basis. Fairs fair"
again baffled by your logic. so what you are saying is say there were people on the welsh or scottish borders who wanted to be part of England, then the English government should rightly go in a start bombing the welsh/scottish, murdering thousands, raping women, burning entire citie
Continued...So either the western media are incompetent or complicit. You'll see many of them wearing the Nazi 'Black Sun' badge, google that too. And you being a student of history won't need telling of Ukraine's history during WW2. I winder if the other Lemmings do?
As for you Indrid, Putin looking weak? We and the Americans have just had our arrise's handed to us by the sandal wearing Taliban. And Putin is looking weak? He has taken everything intended to take. Kiev is not his target. Donbas, Luhansk and the strategic southern ports are, and he's already taken one of them.
Surely you've noticed how the western media flip flop one day to the next from 'He's beaten, he's ill, he's going to get overthrown...' to Mariupol has fallen to ruthless Putin..' So he's not beaten, he's not mad, he's not ill...Biden, Pelosi and Harris on the other hand. Putin is far smarter than them all. An authoritarian yes, but no more so than them as they have shown over the last 18 months.
Does Russia need to be any bigger? No, but then neither does NATO.
And I didn't even mention the US funded bio labs in Ukraine. You know, like the one in Wuhan.
*Zalenskyy has $1.4 BILLION squirreled away.
C eye, we are 100 percent of the same understanding, bizarre brainwashed world we live in
Ah Straycat, I see you and 10 Lemmings get your world history from the BBC. Well done! No doubt you get your perspective on the Ukraine war from Sky News. A very odd war don't you think, where so many world leaders have been able to visit the centre of Kiev in shirts and ties and little fear. In contrast, when Boris visit Liverpool he wore a stab vest!
But I digress, so yes, my point was that Gorbachev, in his naivety trusted the Americans with their words that they wouldn't expand further east than Berlin, as he knew no future Russian leader would tolerate it. No American leader ever did either. Fairs fair? Unfortunately, he didn't get it signed off in a treaty, so the Americans and NATO betrayed him and his good faith.
I have 42 Ukrainian colleagues that we have now had to move from Kiev to Spain. Nearly all of them are Russian as well as Ukrainian speaking and some have family living in Russia, who may, like most of them be ethnically Ukrainian, but just live in Russia, like English people live in Wales and vice versa. Politically, ethnically and geographically, it's a very complex picture.
One thing nearly all of them agree on is who is really at the centre of the current destruction of their country, the Americans! Who'd have thought it? And just so you know, my own Grandmother was born in Boston, Mass, and 1/8th of my heritage lies there for 400 years, so I have no axe to grind with my colonial cousins, but you know, fairs fair.
Are you aware, (I hope you are the way you chirped up), that Joe Biden and his crack head son, Hunter, have been extorting millions of dollars from Ukraine for years, specifically its oil and gas company's. Now can you see the importance they might hold upon covering their crimes in this far flung eastern European nation, at whatever cost to the people there.
Are you aware that the current President (a former Comedian with a reported $1.4 squirreled away), Zelenskyy was only brought to power when the previous wholly democratically elected leader, Viktor Yanukovych, was ousted by American led meddling and coup in 2014 as he wouldn't sign up with greater ties to the EU. Simply put, the west wants a western puppet leader in power in Ukraine and Putin wants a pro Russian one and now they're destroying the country over it, but what you should notice, just like in Crimea, there are millions of people in the former and current borders of Ukraine who are pro and ethnically Russian and want to be part of Russia and that is what is happening. You know, the United Kingdom makes claim to the 6 counties of Northern Ireland and the partition of Ireland on the same basis. Fairs fair.
Are you aware that huge swathes of the Ukrainian army are Neo-Nazi's? Heard of the Azov Battalion? Google them using images, keep scrolling. This is a detail western media hide from the Lemmings to the point Sky News, Dermot Murnaghan, even interviewed a senior commander of the Azov a couple of weeks ago and wished them well.
truthsayer........oh my days, where to start with that absolute drivel.
firstly its probably a fair question to enquire what planet are you on?
and you wouldnt happen to be a subscriber of Russia Today would you?
bearing in mind whilst the western media no doubt has a bias, they are still all allowed to be independent, and literally every independent media operation in Russia has been closed down. The only person dictating what gets published/broadcast in Russia is the man running the war, oops sorry, "special operation". so who should i be listening to exactly?
and for the statement "They can do nothing to prevent the entire destruction of the Ukrainian army" you need to take your meds, and quick, i fear for your state of mind. despite the facts slapping you across the face like a 20lb wet Haddock, you're still in denial that Russia have already failed in their primary strategic objective, let alone many others. everything Putin has set out to do so far as literally had to opposite effect of what he desired.
the west are literally preventing the destruction of the Ukrainian Army, if you claim other wise you are a liar or a moron. and whilst aiding Ukraine in a simply unprecedented way, they are weakening the Russian Military, the Economy and its political sphere irreversibly.
the West certainly have made a lot of mistakes with Russia in the past, but not this time, the game has changed and the only loser long term will be Russia.
i dont know if you're brainwashed, cerebrally challenged, a liar or just one of those nutters who simply wants to go against reality, common sense and the west, because they deludedly believe that's "on trend" but either way, that was an embarrassing read to say the least.
"truth-sayer".........priceless, utterly priceless
Indrid, your entire post could be about the West. They are utterly inept, and have been completely outmanouvered, in Syria, Afghanistan, Georgia, and now Ukraine. Embarrassing.
Paper tigers as clear as day. They can do nothing to prevent the entire destruction of the Ukrainian army.
I think you watch too much bbc, cnn, and sky news mate
Because they are murdering bullies.
The West, driven mostly by the USA but including most of the so-called Free World (LOL), made a series of bad mistakes when the old Soviet Union broke up 1990/91.
Far too many were patting themselves on the back at "defeating Communism" and showing that the future was Free Market Capitalism.
The opportunities, fraught with danger and difficulties as they were at the time, were ignored.
Let us hope that we don't ignore the opportunities presented when Putin departs the scene.
Putin is not Russia - and Russia is much, much more than Putin.
‘Good. He's right to block it. The west and NATO have betrayed all former promises to the Soviets and Russians about eastern expansion of NATO membership and the accompanying military bases. The Americans wouldn't tolerate Russian bases, or missiles in Cuba or likewise on the Mexican border, why should the Russians?’
This is a perverse re-write of history if ever I read one.
Do you know what? I can’t even be bothered to give you a lesson in modern history and why NATO was originally conceived. Nor the background surrounding the Cuban Crisis.
It’s just not worth it.
However, it IS worth pointing out that neither Finland nor Sweden had any intention of joining NATO before Russia’s (Putin’s) completely unprovoked attempted invasion of the Ukraine.
And as for Erdogan and his PKK problem, well I bet that gets sorted very quickly now that Putin has put the Finnish and the Swedish in a mood to negotiate.
So the Finns and the Swedes will most likely join NATO now, giving Putin an even bigger border to ‘protect’ from Western ‘attack’.
What attack?
So badly misjudged.
BTW, the Cold War was long gone, part of our wider post war history until Putin chose to resurrect it, completely misjudging the unifying effect his actions would have.
He just never came to terms with the collapse of the Soviet Union (Empire).
It appears that he’s now running the war himself from Moscow. Him and his acolytes.
Good luck with that without key Field Generals…
"why should the Russians?"
because they dont have any choice. They have been shown up to be the paper tiger they really are. they have never looked so weak as they do right now. additionally the entire upper echelon of their leadership are like petulant children who stamp their feet, concoct the must laughable untruths and threaten things they cant deliver when no one listens to them.
didnt they threaten "complete destruction" of Finland and Sweden if they dared apply for NATO membership? Finland and Sweden exercise their sovereign right to apply for membership and then all of a sudden Putin states "we have no problem" if they join......lol.......they are a complete joke and its about time the world realised it.
Good. He's right to block it. The west and NATO have betrayed all former promises to the Soviets and Russians about eastern expansion of NATO membership and the accompanying military bases. The Americans wouldn't tolerate Russian bases, or missiles in Cuba or likewise on the Mexican border, why should the Russians?
Erdogan has his own beef with Putin in Syria etc but his domestic 'Kurdish Problem' in the south will always offer far more political leverage than wider geopolitics.
Yet another variable thrown into the mix by Tayyip.
From Bloomberg, by Selcan Hacaoglu:
Turkey’s Erdogan Puts the Brakes on NATO’s Nordic Expansion
• Erdogan voices firm opposition before talks on Sweden, Finland
• Turkish president calls Sweden ‘nesting ground’ for terrorists
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he won’t allow Sweden and Finland to join NATO because of their stances on Kurdish militants, throwing a wrench into plans to strengthen the western military alliance after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
At the heart of the matter is Erdogan’s deep resentment against NATO allies for what he sees as their refusal to take seriously Ankara’s concerns about Kurdish militants operating inside Turkey and across its borders in Syria and Iraq. Turkey wants its perception of the threat to be acknowledged by all NATO members, and says risk priorities should be harmonized across the alliance.
His one vote can block it.
What trade-off will he get?