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Tracker 2009- i was going to say all that but you beat me to it.
Is not really an event that changes anything significantly in my (humble) opinion. Avanti do not have to wait for a successful launch before they commence contact talks with interested parties, so you have to assume that such activities are taking place right now. That being the case and with the contract wins running at current levels you would have to ask why they actually need more satellites with the present levels of utilisation. So basically what I am saying is that it is the sales team that needs a boost as much if not more than the satellite itself. Without a real game changing contract win or wins, I am afraid that the death by a thousand cuts will continue to its inevitable conclusion. As ever, I hope but do not believe that I am wrong. GLA (we will need it)
I think you both are equally right, even though you both hold opposite views. ( by the way, this is quite normal in quantum physics) i want to agree with cassius but there are too many Ifs and Buts with this company. Too many hurdles to overcome before reaching our destination. In the other hand, facts are facts until other evidence comes along.
Well,there is no reason to doubt that the launch will take place. Fully Funded, etc,etc. So which way will the sp be expected to go when the the launch date is announced and then the launch takes place ?? Personally, I can only see it going up. But WTFDIK ??
No I don't think so. its just a continuation of the share price decline that has gone on for ages. Basically the company is toast. Cant pay its bills as it does not make enough money and its deep under water. Ant dead cat bounce gets slammed so that tells me people selling on rallies rather than buying on dips...... just my humble view. Wouldn't like to upset anyone with my negativity but facts are facts .
Is this some sorts of set up before an announcement of launch date?
What if all the noise on this board was being posted by me, myself and Irene... I do wonder sometimes if there really is multiple people or just one person trying ramp/ deramp and stay neutral all by different accounts... hey ho I'm bored by the noise aren't we all?
Hmmmm, launch date to be announced ????
Time to load up? :) It's a sign!
I tend to agree. however, when one does post something based on critical thought which happens to be less than positive, one receives a wave of abuse which is difficult not to respond to. Not sure what you mean by 'lost argument but I certainly don't feel that's true in my case given the share price...
I'm fine thanks Power - remember, I don't actually have a position here currently, so nothing to feel sad or bad about!
What s joke this board has become. Like ive stated before got some money invested in here,its there to stay regardless of other opinions,il either lose or be up big,maybe stating the obvious but its black snd white. Mock and getting personal = lost argument
MTB- get yourself a cold beer and chill out. You will feel better tomorrow.
Brad - I don't have a problem with people being positive, but why do people have a problem with me when I am simply applying critical thought and backing up my views with numbers. GCC - you used to post technical and commercial reasoning..???..ha ha ha ha ha etc etc. No-one here is going to believe that. If you believe I am posting under numerous monkers then please report me,. The Board can tell due to the IP addresses used. However, when they find you're wrong don't be surprised if you are banned for being malicious. As to the 'it's not worth posting proper analysis anymore' I think it's rather obvious to the more discerning amongst us that having been wrong for so long, it is clear that all your so called industry knowledge is meaningless without a proper understanding of company financing structures and commercial business models. I guess you're all rather embarrassed, and to be honest, I would be too if I was you. Try admitting to your mistakes occasionally - you might find it quite cathartic (can someone explain that word to GCC please.) and actually learn from it as well.
"I also think you'll find far more positive than negative posts on boards like this, so who are the manipulators?" This is beyond your comprehension for sure MTB. People are on this board because they have singled out Avanti as a company they are interested in. If they had no interest they would be elsewhere .... as you should be! Being neutral or positive is reason enough to post , but why does anybody want to waste their time trashing a useless share unless they have an ulterior motive. Personally, I have always seen the aim of this company as worthwhile and potentially profitable, and I have paid dearly , so far , for maintaining that stance. I live in hope that one of these days that Africa will wake up and decide to use Avanti. The educational market sounds the most likely route to capture some imaginations. Once the kids get their hands on broadband at school , some will want it in their homes ....... fingers crossed!
MTB, give it up man ! Everyone on here knows what you're doing. It's too obvious. Get out there and get a proper job. Carrying on with this morally reprehensible activity surely identifies you as the worst kind of bottom-feeder.
How long before this share is 'hovering' at 5p.....
Agreed tyche. I used to to post technical and commercial reasoning to support my assertion that AVN will be a success - albeit long term. However with mutiple identity, paid derampers, such as MTB putting in the time to distort truth's and emphasise any negatives, it became pointless - because they have more time than I have. Hence as you say the days of this BB being a source of critical analysis are effectively over. Best to just try and reduce their effectiveness. But as for useful info, forget it.
So are you saying then that because some posters have a genuine if different viewpoint to yourself, that you cannot bear to read them and so will in effect bar yourself? If so, it seems pretty droll to me. As I said a few posts ago, I like to read other perspectives and more importantly the facts/stats and thinking behind them. I am negative about Avanti because there are nowhere near enough contract wins to get us anywhere near positive EBITDA. This of course is MY perspective, and I believe is as valid as anyone else's. I am not upset or angry that yourself, GCCRa and others maintain a positive view of the company, you have every right to do so. GLA
Trashed SP and avn trashier BB. No point in posting here until launch dates are announced. All discussion stopped here by a few negative posters.
Yes, it's true that you only crystalise your loss, or indeed gain, when you sell. If, as and when Avanti goes tits up I do at least have the option of selling some of my top performing shares and using the loss on Avanti to offset any capital Gains tax. Every cloud has a silver lining. GLA
Tracker, don't know if you'd agree but I once read that you only make a loss when you sell :-)
I don't see much happening until next year and the launch, assuming there are no more delays. and that assumes AVN have enough in the bank to keep going until then. So two assumptions!! There are other concerns but I don't want to talk my own investment down, that would be completely silly.
Would you need a "bad news" campaign for a share that has come down from £7 to 9p? Or are you saying that it was the bad news campaign rather than the fundamentals responsible for the drop? Either way, I am not MTB, and MTB is not me, have a little respect.
No MTB etc. Just doing a bit of a refresh on stock manipulation strategies. But then you know all about that, right?.... . RULE NUMBER THREE: AS SOON AS THE MARKET MANIPULATOR HAS COMPLETED HIS DISTRIBUTION (DUMPING) OF SHARES, HE WILL START A BAD NEWS OR NO NEWS CAMPAIGN. Your favourite home-run stock has just stalled or retreated a bit formats high. Suddenly, there is a news VACUUM. Either NO news or BAD rumours. I discovered this with quite a few stocks. I would get LOADS of information and "hot tips." All of a sudden, my pipeline was shut-off. Some companies would even issue a news release CONDEMNING me ("We don't need 'that kind of hype’ referring to me!). Cute, huh? When the company wanted fantastic hype circulated hither and yon, there would be someone there to spoon-feed me. The second the distribution phase was DONE....ooops! Sorry, no more news. Or, "I'm sorry. He's not in the office." Or, "He won't be back until Monday." The really slick market manipulators would even seed the Internet newsgroups or other journalists to plant negative stories about that company. Or start a propaganda campaign of negative rumours on all available communication vehicles. Even hiring a "contraire" or" special PR firm" to drive down the price. Even hiring someone to attack the guy who had earlier written low about the company. (This is not a game for the faint-hearted!) You'll also see the stock drifting endlessly. You may even experience a helpless feeling, as if you were floating in outer space without a lifeline. That is exactly HOW the market manipulator wants you to feel. See Rule Number Five below. He may also be doing this to avoid the severe disappointment of a "dry hole" or a "failed deal." You'll hear that oft-cried refrain, "Oh well, that's the junior minerals exploration business... very risky!" Or the oft-quoted statistic, "Nine out of 10 businesses fail each year and this IS a Venture Capital Start-up stock exchange." Don't think it wasn't contrived. If a geologist at a junior mining company wasn't optimistic and rosy in his promise of exploration success, he would be replaced by someone who was! Ditto for the high-tech deal, in a world awash with PhD's. So, how do you know when you are being taken? Look again at Rule #1.Inside that rule, a few other rules unfold which explain how a stock price is manipulated.