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"getting the risk" = "getting the virus" (in final sentence)
Org30 it's fair to say the deaths for under 50's has been negligible....however that doesn't mean there's no risk.
Above the age of 15 the amount of coronavirus cases rises rapidly (UK data) and from about the age of 25 upwards charts of coronavirus cases level off and aren't far off being even for every age bracket above that.
What's also clear is you can survive coronavirus but be seriously ill and have long-term damage to your body.
So, whilst the under 50's are at low risk of dying, anyone over about 15 has a significant risk of getting the risk, and they are at significant risk of long-term damage to their body, even if they don't die.
Bella - I disagree (with "No country anywhere in the World has managed to get it right yet").
Some countries have done extremely well. It's the ones run by moronic leaders that have done worst (Boris/Trump).
Taiwan and their population of over 22 million....right next to the Epicenter of the outbreak in China....479 cases and 7 deaths. Funnily enough their vice president is an epidemiologist.
And there's many others who've also done really well and showing up the ineptitude of the UK/US management.
If vaccine uptake is only going to be about 50 % then basically it's not to going work...
Herd immunity appears to still be the best action for viruses but the debate is still ongoing in CV case.
There's also the latest science re T Cells vs Antibodies... Which again could be a negative for vaccines.
The wearing of masks everywhere could be made mandatory but again what's the point if people keep pulling them up and down/fiddle with them/constantly touch them by the nose area not the strings. I see it all the time and many times by hospital staff and care workers. Masks can be lethal to yourself or others if not used properly.
No country anywhere in the World has managed to get it right yet...it is spread by people not Govts so ultimately the responsibility lies with the World's population.
So.. After all that rambling.. Its not going away any time soon and treatments will be the must have as we head towards Winter. The question is, will Govts around the World make the right choices... hopefully a good deal with a Pharma with clout will do the trick by getting SNG001 on those Govt shopping lists...
Enjoy your warm Sunday chaps... This coming couple of weeks could be a scorcher....
Org, on some points I agree with you. In terms of mortality I see no evidence to suggest Sars Cov 2 is any worse for you than the flu. If you imagine what would happen every winter if there was no flu jab you'd quickly realise that the comparisons between the flu and covid are fair. However from a more general long-term health perspective, it does seem that covid causes more complications than influenza.
I don't agree with your first point though, quite the opposite. This virus is meant to thrive around 2 degrees celsius. I think what's happening in the likes of Florida, California, Brazil, India (to name the ones you named) shows you that once the virus has a grip, EVEN in hot climates it has the ability to spread with ease. I take that as being a worrying and inauspicious sign that what we're seeing now could pale in comparison to what could be around the corner...
Seb,
1. The major risk of the virus during winter time is other viruses and the fact that CV inhibits the immune response to them. As highlighted by SNG, the hospital admissions for COPD patients with exacerbation's during the winter season put huge strain on the NHS even without covid.
2. I personally knew someone who was 32 with no co-morbidity who died a few months back with CV.
3. This is not the flu. As someone rightly pointed out the other day - the flu does not kill front line staff, CV does. Do not underestimate the effectiveness of lockdowns in keeping the death rate down.
4. That is completely unsubstantiated. Everyone always thinks they have normal flu even if they have a cold and unfortunately we may never know for sure how early the virus arrived on our shores.
Miggy007 - I think I'd rephrase "so successful" to "a complete clusterf*ck of mismanagement by government from start to finish leading to far more deaths and serious injury than should have happened". It's hard to imagine how they could have done much worse a job.
Smokie, I can’t quite see how this can be deemed a success story so far. The only reason numbers of infections dropped in some countries was because they entered total lockdown which is not sustainable. Three weeks out of that and numbers rise again. UK gov said 10,000 deaths would be a relatively acceptable outcome originally. Now, we are in excess of 40,000 deaths and all before second wave. We currently have no tools to fight this with. Herd immunity is a failed concept imo. To achieve this we would need most of the population to become infected, at least 60-70%. With no defences how many people would die?. Also, their is evidence to suggest antibodies drop off after three months, so herd immunity may well not be effective in any case. Too early to be certain on that but it would be folly to gamble on that becoming our policy.