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Good point, but if you enter the FTSE 350, by some miracle, you also enter the FTSE 250. It is sheer magic.
Fair dealer. I’m really not attacking you or Barchild.
Posted myself here a few weeks back and was a little surprised at the way BC responded, as such I decided to look at his previous posts regarding Mars to get a feel for his investment type and the way in which others are dealt with - you see how I didn’t take it personal there ? The statement made by Oracle back then wasn’t all that ludicrous was it, when within 5 months it came into fruition as he posted. The wild zero that followed was likely a result of guys poking the bear thereafter. You seem like a reasonable guy, and I’m aware you’ve both been here together some of the duration, one appears to bounce off the other somewhat. What I’m suggesting is likewise, where some of us have £1 + expectations... it really isn’t that ludicrous when you look past what’s right in front of you. Of course if that does come about within the next 5 months we can forget about all this and the posters that anticipated it and then bang on about how fundamentals have changed and what that means for Mars in that moment. Concrete thinkers vs Abstract thinkers - there’s the one size fits all answer to all the wild and pointless interrogations.
Triumph you clearly have difficulty recognising the difference between fact and fiction when taking comments out of context.
Understand numbers are not your strong point, but do not conceal a lack of understanding by invention.
Read my words carefully in relation to a fund raise and then you may be able to get a grip of the mechanisms employed.
You believe or try make others believe Brokers have no control over share prices. Think again and at the same time check the Fundamentals of Marstons. Hope the BOD have seen the company's elevation to not just the FTSE 350 but higher still, the FTSE 250. This alone will add great value to the Company, just think of the Instituions who will now be buying in.
What a joke you are when you cannot get the basics right.
You are right, you will never win an argument when the plain simple basic FACTS are utterly wrong.
PP thanks for digging out the post just a pity you chose to target 2 posters when several others responded to Oracle1953 thread. Those posts were highly critical and remarked the statement was ludicrous. As for my post on the thread it merely questioned Oracle's thinking state and remined him the asset value supports the SP. This is a position I have consistently stated.
It is also poor form to have not identified Oracle's thread where he claimed the share was worth Zero until the company taps it's shareholders and then there would be dilution. Several commented, I did not as Oracle knows little about the finances of Marstons as do others here.
Well, at least one thing is clear. Looks like the marstons brokers have given in propping up the FTSE 250 index, so by fairdealers logic, a placing shouldnt happen now. I'm sure everyone is relieved.
Well put mate. These boards are full of people ready to insult and deride those whose opinions don't gel with there own. For me it just means a lot of green boxes.
No aspersions fella.
Posted by Barchid -
RE: big fall coming
15 Oct 2019 16:20
Oracle
If you really think they will go to 27p why did you not impart this esteemed knowledge on us all when they were 130p ?
Or were you perhaps thinking then that they would go up to 270p ?
Kindly enlighten us.
Does every post that doesn’t fall in line with your ways of thinking really warrant detailed explanations to justify such postings. The above shows clearly, that even whilst one appears to be in the know, one is also very much wrong also - over time.
You guys need to remember this is a bulletin board, take a few steps back and chill some. There are going to be mixed opinions. There are also going to be forward looking or backward looking statements based on beliefs rather than the cold hard facts some struggle to see past. It is what is and will be what it will be. It’s just a question of time.
As i said before this is an argument i will never win because you clearly have your claws in deep here for some reason you still fail to disclose. There are 100s of companies in a far worse position than MARS so why not spread your wisdom there? I'm sure there are many companies that can do with your amazing insight. So i challenge you to tell us all what your beef is with MARS? Or are you an armchair troll? Its a simple question is it not, and don't try to obfuscate my questioning as abuse, that's just sad.
And i am so sorry some disagree with your definition of fact, as it appears that you seem to define fact as your interpretation of things. Ill help you by making a 'specific reference' as you clearly failed to see the specific reference made before. This is regarding your comment about why the share price went from 36p to 50p, which leads me nicely onto my challenge you set me. I have never disputed any financial analysis re debt levels as although it may be hard for you to believe, i can read and understand the squiggly lines that we all call numbers. I don't recall disputing posts regarding this, please could you remind us all when i disputed any hard financials? But i like the way you try to divert attention away from your stupid comment made which was the sole purpose of questioning whether you are a troll or not. Very transparent.... please try harder. At least you indirectly or subconsciously acknowledge how silly that comment was.
So the challenge, which i have already explained my reasoning but perhaps you missed it or you need a longer version to understand. So, have you seen the FTSE 250 index? Perhaps you could overlay this chart with the chart of MARS, MAB, JDW, RTN and the general sector? Now unless Marstons brokers have grown long arms indeed and have managed to drag up the entire index just to get a placing away for marstons, your interpretation of the rise is either at best down to your extremely poor analytical skills and bizarre thought processes, or as i stated before a disgruntled armchair troll with a sole aim to dampen sentiment at worst. So which is it? If the rise was isolated to MARS alone, perhaps i would be more inclined to agree with your assessment. However analysing others in the sector, along with the index as a whole, one is lead to logically to conclude that the rise is more likely down to a general change in sentiment from an extreme oversold position. Fair assessment?
So did i pass? Credibility restored? Now lets see if you can manage to do the same.
PP before casting aspersions it would be helpful to have identified the postings to which you refer. Oracle is a pseudonym for a poster who seems to have disappeared sometime ago. Do you know him/her?
Whilst you are trawling posts to give us accurate information, it is true to point out for a considerable time MARS had a trading cycle of low/mid 90p to mid/upper 120's when the dividend was very attractive. Any comparison between now and 2/3 years ago is completely erroneous, as you say we now have COVID and the ramifications that are going along with it.
I'll not bore you with the background financials as am sure you have it at your fingertips and will be fully aware how debt impacts on a Company's ability to produce results Shareholders expect.
Look forward to viewing the posts to which you refer.
The one thing I don’t get is back when this was £1.20 p/s a poster called Oracle posted here and was calling 20p p/s as per BC chat history. Barchild and possibly also yourself flamed him for this and demanded he elaborated on such nonsense - low and behold covid came and that exact outcome has happened. Now we are where we are all of a sudden you’ve both turned pessimists instead and that is what I don’t get. Is there a need for it to be explained ? Most likely not.
Thereality is that none of us can accurately predict the future and in short that is what creates a market.
Barchid
Thanks, have very thick skin and the nonsense spouted here is nothing compared with abuse I had over on Carrilion more than 3 years ago. That was a high dividend paying stock , until one dug down into the spiders-web of finances 6 months before it finally collapsed. I was a lone voice warning what could and did eventually happen. Ridicule was the name of the game over there, one guy even said I should have been put down at birth. Others who could not count were not quite so abusive. The rest is history and gave me NO pleasure to see dim investors being persuaded to lose hard-earned cash.
After the fall several posters who thought me wrong did have the timerity to apologise .
There are 2 investors, then, who stick in my mind. 1 a pensioner from Yorkshire who wrote a letter to the Times, having invested £1000 of his savings on the basis of the high Dividend being payed which would supplement his pension. He was devastated.
The other a young mother who had been persuaded to use some Public funds recieved, to invest in CLLR when the stock price was pennies. Devastated when the company fell she turned to social media and created a Crowd Funding platform to recover her loss....quite astonishing.
I make it clear now THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBALANCE BETWEEN MARSTONS AND CARRILION. ABSOLUTELY NONE.
It is a pity the Keyboard Geniuses rely on obfuscation and not plain facts or intelligent thinking. Making blanket statements like, "which are not facts" and unable to make specific reference is not helpful.
It would help the posters credibilty to state the methods and backgrounds used by Companies and there Brokers in Raising Funds.
Unfortuneately since the lockdown many of these boards have become infested with "get rich quick merchants" who have discovered it is not that easy and then turn vitriolic towards anyone who dares to identify Corporate Issues which are not going to go away.
We have Geppetto's puppet, who must be a Constructor, is so busy building Beer-Houses for Marstons, he has lost count. At least he knows how many pennies make a Pound.
Triumph a Challenge for you. Specify the Financial Facts you claim erroneous .
A supplimentary exercise , set out, using your experience, the best methods Brokers will adopt to raise Funds for a Company with a High Debt ratio, significant Development plans and uncertain Income streams .
If you are able to take up the challenge without sarcasm or abuse maybe your credability will improve.
@Fairdealer
I have to say that I, & I am sure most other posters on here, use this board to sensibly discuss whether Marstons are likely to be a good investment or not, so I was astonished to see the abuse aimed at you yesterday in a post that looked as if it had been written by triumph after too long in the sun & perhaps a pint too many ?
When the abuse is personalised, as it was in this case against you, it does nothing to increase our knowledge of the subject.
Let us hope we see more facts & opinions of the investment kind which in the past this board has been a great place to discover & discuss.
Pinnochio can you direct us to all these new found outlets?
Do these deals with US and Japan form part of the UK's Trade Talks or are you confused with the licence agreement Marstons have with Shipyard Brewery?
Yep -Marstons have over 2000 Pub outlets and I know a large number are in the Country where no doubt in the "hot" weather most can enjoy the Garden and allowable space outside.
I would still like to see their global beer sales figs as they have recently tied up deals with the USA and Japan where Beer sales have been hitting new found records.