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Final lot above 60p. If 60p breaks down, sell and try again at 53p, if that fails look at 48p. If that fails 4D is in dire trouble get out with what you can.
I've been buying as much as I feel comfortable with on way down in tranches from 120p with my last lot at 67p. News will come and it's just a waiting game. Buy more if you can (if you believe and have funds) and try not to let it get to you, which is only human as you see your £££ dripping away ON PAPER.
Waiting for progress/news/updates is getting a bit painful tbh, but we've got a lot to look forward to. Just like when you're in the car on the way home but need the toilet, the closer you get the worse it feels! Kind of where we are now.
There's always huge risk with these kinds of companies and the microbiome may all turn out to be a huge fugazi. I just don't happen to think so based on what I've read and the progress 4D have made so far. In a few year's time we'll either be bought out by Merck etc. for a decent/huge profit or we'll be in production and reaping the benefits of our patience and the wonder drugs that are helping people..... Also at a huge profit.
It's certainly been a rough ride over the last couple of months but it will just make the win that much sweeter when it comes.
Good luck all
Another one for the green box anyway
For the simple fact game changing news could land, I still believe in the potential of the company, and think we'll get a significant re-rate on moving to a P3 trial.
Then again, I thought that at 90p, 80p, 70p, and in hindsight I wish I had sold up and bought back in - as a recall you saying you'd done for at least a portion of your holding.
Now we know Oliveira's selling up, I don't see 60p holding as a floor. 50p may do, as below that my guess is he could begin to start selling at a loss. I hope I'm wrong, but believe we'll keep bleeding until there's a meaningful update, or we hit Oliveira's base price.
And with each day that passes without a meaningful update, it's entirely reasonable for one's scepticism to grow on how the open trials are progressing.
Well the person seems to be suffering a lot of anxiety because they feel they have made a mistake so surely selling up and maybe moving on would sort out their problems.
As they only expect things to get worse from now on
Sangi... don't understand your comment: 'why not sell and buy back when it drops'
On one hand you're disgusted by day traders who want to make a quick buck and get frustrated when they can flip profit quickly and you consider yourself an investor - and on another hand you are wondering why people don't trade.
Also, maybe I am an idiot, but I still shop that BOD are jot lying to me and will present data early Autumn. SonI have no choice but to wait, because I am n investor and not a trader.
Why not sell and buy back? Because of the risk of good news before the chance of buying back of course!
So why don't you sell up and buy your shares back at a lower price?
I won't be buying any more unless or until this hits mid 50s, possibly even lower, which looks increasingly likely. Oliveira has a lot to offload, I'm increasingly nervous at the Board's failure to give a decent 0518 update (is the data not that good?), and the fact they're now implying 2022 for some other programme updates which - just a few weeks ago, were promised by YE - is a further kick in the teeth.
Haven't sold any, I never expected it would decline to this point, and I do think medicine on the Microbiome will be significant in future. Who knows about 4D though.
We can keep saying it's a bargain Vs competitors etc, but ultimately no one's buying - including the Directors - so maybe the market isn't wrong here.
50-55p I may top up, anything above that the risk / reward ratio doesn't feel worth it. My guess is we'll be at that point within a week, we'll see.
Just added. Had to go through an order though because apparently there are no shares to buy! WTF
Hi Robins
Same for me.
I bought more but it kept going lower.
Any I bought now would hardly dent my average and I would be selling at a liss elsewhere to overexpose here.
I am just being pragmatic with what I say.
Any share can go lower or crash. But I also know that 4D have funded themselves and given options. The directors bought a lot at £1.10p. Sure they earn a lot. But it is still money. The US investor dumping may be because of Forte loss. May also be a trick . Or for another resdon. We cannot ultimately know.
Interims due. May say little. Who knows.
Lots of “ don’t knows”
I am losing loads. Losing even more on Ncyt.
But both are manipulated. 4D far far more tightly though. It is possibly the most manipulated share I have seen in decades.
Which divorces it from reality.
I am well acquainted with market manipulation and the myriad of stealthy games. They are real. That helps.
But ultimately -especially with a pharma in trials-it is a ‘ don’t know’ and ‘ wait and see’.
But results so far in most areas have been positive. Evelo helps a little but only in the sector.
Wishing you and (almost) all of us the best.
We have a long way to go up to recover. A long way.
crl123 tried buying lower a few times but it keeps going lower. Still we must remain positive as you are .
Good decision to buy.
Bargain. But could go either way atm
The death spiral looks to have bottomed. The trick is scale in purchases IMO. We could test 60p or 53p so leave so powder dry...;o))