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Labour will accept the vote of 16 year olds and EU nationals but not of 17.4 million British nationals.
In the new Tory government Michael Gove is the Minister of Truth after his brilliant display on C4 when challenged on lies.1984 here we come.
ADG - would you rather have alternative facts?
Only SNP Nichola sturgeon can block labour, Gold miner POG on the way to multibagger
I've never read such drivel Aus, all of your posts are vaugeries and soundbites, you sound like a 16 year old demanding the vote but not being able to name any labour minister or member other than Corbyn.
Village I wish you would work out none of your little fantasies have anything to do with the EU & more to do with the will of mr Putin & his grubby propaganda site which for some reason attract you like a fly to you know what
I stopped reading at about line 3 at federalisation
Wasted vote, utter nonsense. There’s no mechanism to force U.K. to do anything or participate in anything.
It’s never looked less likely for other member states to participate
Utter complete rubbish, you’ve been totally conned & thanks for that on behalf of a country ruined by nonsense
"Obviously if there aren’t hundreds of examples over 40 odd years, it does kind of high light the stupidity of it right "
Actually, i see the EU project as a bigger long term risk. I like the idea of us as being self contained and separate. Where will the federalisation of Europe be in 20 years from now? How will individual countries escape the super state if they feel they're getting a raw deal? Once the EU armed forces are established, who will control it? It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see where the EU could be in 50 years from now. You can see where the good intentions may evaporate and dark politics take over. I understand that you'll say I'm concocting some sort of dystopian fantasy, but I don't see it as far fetched at all. The more power centralised to Brussels, the more the individual countries will be seen as peripheral and controlled. Borders and individuality are actually better for democracy than centralised control and the EU wont stop integrating until it morphs into a super state. The EU also blinkers itself when it suits, as in the Catalan example, so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine how things will develop.
Well Fleccy you know what happens next.
Assuming you agree what a ridiculous upheaval this is for our country, the risks involved & the massive affect on so many lives, there has to be hundreds if not thousands of examples where the U.K. is not an equal partner or where this pretend loss of sovereignty has led to this country having things done to it.
Do assuming there’s hundreds of these occurrences what’s your top 10?
Obviously if there aren’t hundreds of examples over 40 odd years, it does kind of high light the stupidity of it right ?
"For all the reasons already discussed that result is so unsafe it’s ridiculous"
Aus for all the talk from politicians, the so called confirmatory referendum would only offer Remain, or Psuedo Remain. They wouldn't even put the choice of leave without a deal on the ballot paper and they seem ok with disenfranchising million of voters, that clearly isn't Democratic.
"Fleccy - so we’ve already established (if immigration is your thing"
Actually, if you go back 3 years and look at my posts from then, my decision had nothing to do with immigration, I'm pointing out where much of the motivation for the leave vote comes from.
It was all about sovereignty for me, I don't like the idea that the EU has any control whatsoever over this country. Also, a large percentage feel aggrieved about other things too, like the Barnett formula. I live in Rural Cornwall and where's our Barnet formula, devolution has created inequalities in the UK and all I ever see and hear is the likes of Sturgeon bleating about what a hard deal Scotland get, when they clearly get a far better deal than the English. If the English were given a vote on breaking up the union, they might actually go for that too. Successive Governments have disregarded the English and the one time they don't conform, the powers that be try to reverse things.
Generally a change like this would need a very large majority, when you consider you are taking things away from so many people it’s a ridiculous concept to assume just over 50% means that okay.
For all the reasons already discussed that result is so unsafe it’s ridiculous
What is wrong with so many people voting for something which was not described to them ?
There are at least 3 different leaves, do what percentage of those votes do you apply to anyone of those leave versions ?
The reason theres at least 3 versions of Brexit is because of the leave campaigns, vote leave, leave Eu & beleave
It was a nonsense, leave wasn’t a political campaign it was an attempt to deliberately mislead
& finally the ensuing mess is a pantomime if it’s own making the charlatan Farage, BoJo and others can’t even agree what leave meant
&!the same poison continues to blight our politics with voters still not able to punish bad behaviour, which if nothing else is their responsibility in this political equation
"We aren't over populated, less than 3% of the entire UK land mass has buildings on it if you include gardens, car parks, roads etc it still doesn't come to much more than 5%"
Derek, by your attitude why don't we all just move into high rise flats built up to the sky, or maybe just concrete over the entirety of the green belt and where we can't build houses, lets put the reservoirs and sewage farms. The point is that people need space, our houses are getting smaller and the roads busier.
Labour are just idealistic idiots in my opinion, they seriously need to come off whatever they're taking, because their reasoning powers seem non existent and they will bankrupt the country with their policies. We live in a real world, not some fantasy reality where there wont be consequences to their pie in the sky spending spree.
Fleccy - so we’ve already established (if immigration is your thing) that freedom of movement is only a 3 month unconditional visa, which runs out after 3 months at which time a member state can apply conditions, which if not met result in deportation.
We have borders where entry is controlled (otherwise why do we have people stuck in Calais ) we are outside schengen so same birders track Eu citizens entry / exit
Non EU immigration on the other hand? Which is significantly greater than EU immigration
The answer to why this boiled down to a leave vote for all the wrong reasons is misinformation of one kind or another
You do realise that “Breaking Point “ poster would have made Goebbels proud & still people wasted their hard won votes whilst screaming that’s what our boys died for (Zoe something similar)
"There really isn’t very many people still thinking. It feels like a nation that has been exposed to some king of phsych war."
You're correct, for the last 3 years we've been bombarded with rhetoric saying Brexit supporters are wrong, we've been called idiots, racist and been subjected to a barrage of media trying to persuade us to change our mind. The only thing the Remain elite can come up with is a Hobson's choice referendum of BRINO, or Remain, where no one would vote for BRINO, so Brexit supporters would likely boycott it and it would be dressed up as a Remain landslide. The politicians will say that Democracy is upheld and the country is now united., except it would be an obvious sham and it would result in fallout for many years.
Democracy is about acting on the majority vote and Brexit should be allowed to take place and if another vote to re-join takes place after Brexit, then that is democracy. You can't just tell people they're wrong and say have another go. If the Remain politicians were true democrats, they would see that their political games are/have damaged the UK political system and no amount of prevaricating will change the result of the referendum. Over a million more people voted to Leave than Remain, how is that a small margin?
Aus & Derek, I realise that there's poverty out there, but I don't see the solution to the issues in Labour policies. When I first joined the housing ladder, mortgages were affordable on a single wage, then suddenly they started to rise due to competitive forces and not long after dual income was needed for the average purchase. The truth is, there's not enough housing to go around in this country and a lot of the house price hikes started before the buy to let craze and property fund interest. Put simply, this country is over crowded. France has a land area of 643,801 km² with a population of 66.99 million, whereas England has a land area of 130,395 km² with a population of 59.115 million people in 2018 and that's England alone. The UK as a whole has a land area of 242,495 km² with a population of 66.435 million people in 2018.
Our infrastructure is straining and people in England have likely had enough and kicked back.
Derekr- I agree. There really isn’t very many people still thinking. It feels like a nation that has been exposed to some king of phsych war.
Lies, nonsense, misinformation so obviously wrong it should misinform anyone about our democracy, the working of parliament, the EU our borders, laws, immigration.
It’s unbelievable, you’ll see most of it repeated on here pretty much daily ?
& obviously Greece, Italy & Spain see the U.K. as the basket case without any Euro influence.
So it’s not all about the Euro is it? It’s mainly about sovereign politics isn’t it?
Fleccy - of course I realise these countries are in fiscal difficulty, I did say that in my post but as usual you’re too busy jumping all over what you want to read.
As I said in my post they also have new road, rail and other infrastructure the U.K. is yet to invest in.
I think you will find the U.K. would equally be in similar level et is of debt if they had followed the same policy, I also allured to that too. Obviously that would be U.K., Spain, Italy etc etc.
The flaw in your one sided argument is U.K. is not part of the euro & is exempt from any euro bailouts etc etc etc.
I personally want to keep the pound, always have. As much as you want to make it the Euro has no place in any discussion about almost anything unless you’re in it or going on holiday where it’s spent.
"Many european countries, Italy, Spain, Greece etc etc chose the alternative to austerity spending big on infrastructure. Time will tell I guess which option proved to be the best long term"
You just listed the three main basket cases of the EU. Spain is the best out of the three, but they're all significantly buckling under the Euro. The biggest structural flaw of the EU is the Euro. A one size fits all currency is good for some and bad for the rest, Greece and Italy are the most headlined issues, but Spanish unemployment is currently around 14.2% whereas Italy is around 9.9%. Greece is coming in around 16.9% and the UK is slightly higher than Germany (3.1%) at 3.8%. Germany has done brilliantly out of the Euro, at the expense of the other EU members, including France with an unemployment rate of 8.5%.
The Germans would soon baulk if their unemployment rate started climbing to the levels of their Mediterranean EU partners, I suspect their enthusiasm would soon wane.
Bertram - rather know how Russian influence & American money was allowed to make it an undemocratic nonsense.
BTW we are free - that’s a perfect example of the nonsense
Once Brexit is secured,we need an official inquiry into how the establishment turned a great democratic
vote for freedom into a national humiliation.
From the BBC to Bercow. the Supreme Court to the civil service, the Electoral Commission to MP,s colluding with foreign leaders....
Nothing less than TREASON.
Dear oh dear oh dear. I think history lessons should be based on some kind of factual history shouldn’t they?
The “there’s no money left” was a joke, offer passed between governments. The alternative fact used to get stupid people angry you’ve already described.
The U.K. economy was crushed by a world wide crash in the last days of a labour government. I have to say also Browns moves to stabilise the world’s monetary system have later been lauded.
Many european countries, Italy, Spain, Greece etc etc chose the alternative to austerity spending big on infrastructure. Time will tell I guess which option proved to be the best long term
Mean while U.K. government has significantly increased U.K. overall debt with very little to show for it as opposed to infrastructure investment has led to a far worse financial position but with improved infrastructure ?
Personally I liked John major. I liked how he navigated a different but similar right wing problem in the Conservative party. He also found a way to continue our relationship in Europe whilst keeping us out of euro, out of schengen & a guarantee they U.K. would be outside closer union
I liked Blair too, some of the best years in my opinion came during his time. Unlike others I don’t blame him for “the war” because I can work out America and Bush gave him no choice what so ever, the call came & it was our turn to respond.
This history lesson left out fishing - british fishing industries over fished, started fishing in other waters had a cod war - joined Eu with no fish, short sighted fishing owners SOLD yes SOLD their fishing rights - alternative facts used to make U.K. fishing industry to look like victims
But selling the gold was true
Well said bertram. I have lived through those times, and in my view the points that you have raised are valid. Tony Blair was viewed as some kind of "Messiah" figure when he was elected. He could do no wrong in the early years, and had the highest popularity ratings of any Prime Minister. Ultimately, his Government proved to grossly incompetent; they led the UK to an unecessary war, with many of our soldiers being killed or maimed for no good reason. His government's fiscal management was abysmal and they did practically bankrupt the country with their wasteful dispersal of revenues. Further, it is regrettable to view the outcome of their immigration policy. The lessons of history need to be learned. The Blair government were more Liberal Democrats than the party with the same name. The extreme left Marxists a.k.a. Corbyn's Labour Party would, if elected, wreak havoc upon our fair country on an unprecedented scale.
Quote... Sent my healthy private pension into the red reducing my pension and making me have to work years longer.
Perhaps you should have considered working for a company with a final salary pension, index linked, crown protected. Like wot I did and retire in my 50s. What a muppet I was to spend over 33 years working for the same company, purchasing shares at a discount in it. Each to there own though.