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As I say Dr, I think vaccines will be reduced to the over 60's and other particularly vulnerable groups.
But when you consider costs:
14.6m people go go to watch premiere league football (not counting all the other leagues and non leagues) Then you have night clubs, and then you have restaurants, then you have music venues, then you have horse racing......
It will cost less to vaccinate then to test I think.
I agree the data is suggesting that the vaccines have had limited affect in catching and passing on the virus but the next covid vaccine almost certainly will be better in those respects and again, its always going to come back to outcomes.
If, once vaccinated you reduce the chance of hospitalisation dramatically, then that saves a huge amount of money to the health system.
So, imo, its not actually about covid per se anymore (and has not been for some time), its about how ill it makes people. That's the key metric everyone is looking at.
Fck me, LFT talk.
Thing is Dr, if it is all about outcomes as I suspect then a couple of things:
The mass vaccination program was an emergency reaction to the unknown elements of the virus.
As it is becoming more established as a virus that targets the vulnerable elderly and immune deficient groups, so i would expect vaccines in future to target just them (like the annual flue jab.)
As for the fit and healthy certainly testing would help them, in principle, from getting or passing it on but if it has almost no effect on them, then whats the point?
And although this still is never discussed here one of the key "problems" in mass testing, is the cost.
Why would healthy young people pay £5 or more every time they want to go out for an illness that will have littles or no affect on them? (put aside any "moral" issues and just try and understand how younger minds work.)
It is generally accepted that a third of carriers are asymptomatic. Are they going to take a test when they feel perfectly well? and if we only take a test when we present symptoms, well its probably a bit late then for the preceding 2 or 3 days we have been out and about.
I understand the inconvenience of having 2 of your staff off work, but I can see a time (in the near future), when we won't take time off just because we have covid. It will be just like a cold inasmuch as if you have a very mild reaction you will come into work and if you are quite poorly you will take a couple of days off. Exactly how it is with annual colds now. You come into work with them, spread it all about and some catch it worse then you do but its (socially) accepted.
If we deviate from that then society does not function as well and that will have knock on effects to the economy and the wealth of the country to keep services funded as they are even at present.
There are no easy solutions to this.
Well said Beinthelead
Wyn - what’s your point? That’s lots of words to imply testing is no longer required.
This board is finally done with the negativity. Contrary view? It’s not. It’s a fishing trip.
Reflection is powerful. The LFT disaster from a few weeks ago has shaken off most of the Covid value in the SP. Like it or not. But the benefit; this trolling angle is no longer valid here. Kinda why the bishop is repeating themselves over and over, running out of material.
Get the message. We’re done with LFT trolling. Is AVA P3 required?? Who cares!!! If P1 proves successful, we’ll have bigger things to worry about.
Dr. At the risk of responding to a question you already know the answer to:
Covid is not expected to have an "end".
Therefore it is only and all about outcomes. (as it has always been).
Vaccines & boosters have reduced dramatically deaths and hospitalisation allowing health systems to not be overwhelmed.
At the same time anti-virals are starting to come on stream and will accelerate in number no doubt over the next 12 months to combat further those who do have a poor reaction.
At the same time is is also likely that vaccines will become more efficient combatting this virus and its variants.
The govts of the world have been heavily criticised here on this BB but perhaps their route out has not been quite as flawed as some suggested
Right ok, people are clearly welcome to believe what they believe, but tin foil hat/flat earth conspiracy theories have many places to air their ramblings, I posit that an investment board is not the place, nor is it welcome.
There’s nothing ‘binary’ about the narrative, it changes by the week, depending on how ‘the science’ is required to morph to fit the narrative.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/24/why-is-covid-surging-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-and-what-can-australia-learn-from-it
https://www.independentsentinel.com/eu-who-uk-expert-end-the-booster-strategy-it-doesnt-work/
Classic binary narrative. "getting vaccinated does nothing to stop you getting and spreading the virus" is just about the most scientifically ignorant statement I have ever heard and aligns well with the university of Facebook mentality of today. Unfortunately brain donors that make statements like this now have a voice and even more unfortunately more brain donors with 'smart phones' listen to this messaging and, being unaware that their devices have more neural capacity than their users, spread it. I give you the modern era.......Darwin save us all.
His controversial comments was hugely popular amongst the anti-vaccine, anti-mandate demonstrators and conspiracy theorists.
Dr Robert Malone - the actual inventor of MRNA technology used in these vaccines said over the weekend that even if we vaccinated everyone the world and his dog, then that would t be enough to end covid-19. If people haven’t noticed getting vaccinated doesn’t nothing to stop you getting and spreading the virus. Bill Gates has vested interests in vaccines and anything he says to pump the narrative should really be taken with a pinch of salt. His only aim here is to get richer….
Bill Gates and the WHO are right, the way to resolve the covid problem is to vaccinate more of the global population. Vaccines, testing and therapeutics are the way forward.
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-has-a-warning-for-the-world-urges-quick-action-222338128.html
Funny that, the exact same words were uttered by Bill Gates in his New Year blog (as I posted on here.) Time to move on to the next elite scheme for money transfer. Will it be war or green agenda?
Head of WHO
“The world could see an end to the “acute phase” of the pandemic this year, the period in which it remains an international emergency, if countries pull together to get vaccines to those parts of the world that have not received them and bolster testing, sequencing and monitoring of new variants”