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td
''Mathematics of it says so.
More shares more divi cash, more shares more monetary value growth of my holding. Can't say anymore to make it easier to understand.''
ffs - you are deluded
I f I had had a choice not to have any cash returned to me and kept all my shares I would be far better off. Mathematics of it says so.
More shares more divi cash, more shares more monetary value growth of my holding. Can't say anymore to make it easier to understand.
All the best.
Prior to the consolidation there were more shares in issue, so in therory the supply would have been higher and therefore the price rise would not have been 20p per share (as there were far more shares in issue) - don't think of price rises in terms of £, think of it as percentages, and then you will see that it all balances out in the long run.
I think LTI was in favour of the B share issue, give it a rest mate zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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This back and forth keeps repeating itself on multiple threads…
I won’t repeat what has already been said as the facts are clear but be patient, remember why you invested in the first place and if something fundamental has changed (or is going to change) then review your position. I sit here now post-consolidation and capital return in a better position with more shares and each one representing a larger % of the company than it did before. The predicted dividend yield is healthy and I’m still happy with the direction of Aviva today.
I’m no preacher and certainly no guru in investing, but this activity has worked for me. Market conditions are not great at the moment and in my view, not reflecting where Aviva should be in terms of share price post-consolidation. When it does, those that kept the b share cash should become whole in terms of £ paper value with a bigger slice of the pie.
TD
The recent rise has added over £1 Billion to the value of Aviva - about a 10% rise from 390p - Aviva now valued at about £12 Billion.
Without the return the market cap would have expected to have risen from about £14.75 Billion to £15.75 Billion giving an increase of about 6.5%
td
''My original 100% holding would have realised more growth and would have more monetary value with the recent rise in sp than my post consolidation position''
Why?
£1 sitting on the balance sheet would still be worth £1.
All the market increase in value has been/would have been on the operational Aviva business .
The clear benefit has been for an investor to use the cash for further investment, which could have meant increasing their holding in Aviva by a good percentage.
I am referring to my holding and growth. Think about the chicken and eggs scenario I used .If a share rises by 20p, a holding of 100 shares will achieve a larger growth in value than a holding of 75 shares .
My original 100% holding would have realised more growth and would have more monetary value with the recent rise in sp than my post consolidation position.The higher Aviva sp rises the more of the cash value of my holding is lost.
Best of luck.
tf
''75ish % of a 20p rise in sp is less than 100% of the same.Gotta be.''
How would cash on the balance sheet doing nothing come to have an increased value?.
The rise in the market cap in the last week is based on the business operations of aviva and the profitability of those operations.
Correction
reply to Longtimeinvestor.
I am the dreamer.
getting tired ,goodnight and cheers.
Who's Dreamer?
I get what you are saying Dreamer.I have experienced outcomes of good and not so good of many of my past investments on board decision that are legal or bordering illegal . I am only saying that what I would be happy about and preferred options thus realising the reality of an event.
Lets hope that the recent Aviva event and disposals are a success story for all of us.
All the Georgey.
Thedetector.
If I have less chickens I will achieve less eggs. With the Aviva recent price rise I have achieved less cash growth than if I had my 100% share count intact.
I would rather have my original holding intact and make my own decision. 75ish % of a 20p rise in sp is less than 100% of the same.Gotta be.
td
''The message that I am purveying is that I alone should be the only one who decides upon decisions about my investments''
When an investor buys shares of a quoted company, the investor is handing over the handling of that investment to the BOD - they decide on investment decisions. An investor is free to withdraw from the investment at any time if the decisions of the BOD are not to their liking
td
''my preferred previous situation with all my returned cash still invested in Aviva plus my original 100 per cent intact.''
that was the problem, the cash was not invested. Investors now have the choice to invest the cash.
You have your original percentage ownership of Aviva 100% intact
I would be perfectly happy if was to wake up tomorrow and realise that this whole consolidation of smoke and mirrors was a dream and be back to my preferred previous situation with all my returned cash still invested in Aviva plus my original 100 per cent intact.
If this is not to be then I would be obliged to demand that Aviva should supply me with a reset button to my preferred pre consolidation position.
The message that I am purveying is that I alone should be the only one who decides upon decisions about my investments and not forced upon me whether I want to,not to , understand or not understand what is put before me.
I did not reinvest my forced returned cash back into Aviva .I alone decided to use returned cash to top up my LGEN investment.
Time will either punish or reward this investment decision. But alas ,it would be my decision.
Best of luck to all .