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https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n2282
This might be the study i referenced below.
Correction..."11 times MORE likely to be hospitalised.."
Intersting discussion with both sides of the argument often having merit.Loskins..i'm not sure your.."we all know that vaccinated are just as prevalent spreaders" is factually correct tho.I don't have the link unfortunately bit i did read recently on a sizeable study conducted in the U.S. i think it was,that concluded that unvaccinated people were 6-10 times more likely to spread the virus and up to 11 times less likely to be hospitalised.Anyway.,i think it's fair to say that the reduction in numbers dying 'from' (not with) the virus and the subsequent return to relwtive normality is largely attributable to the success of the vaccine rollout thus far.Good luck to all,apart from HarveyF, aka JAdam..an old friend from the ODX board who will no doubt bring knowledge,research and mistrust.
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I've studied this quite extensively, if I hadn't have caught Covid I may well have gone ahead and had the vaccine though I am against the blanket coverage of its usage especially in young children. On its initial introduction it was quite rightly adopted to help protect the old and the vulnerable though over time the goalposts have changed and its starting to impact on people's civil liberties and unfortunately in some cases their livelihoods.
"I'm not vaccinated, my reasoning was that after I caught Covid last October, I was of the opinion that I had the antibodies to fight of a reinfection so why have a vaccine..."
Because any antibodies wane over time. Having Covid doesn't protect you from future reinfection.
Study of 176 patients post Sars infection done in 2007 indicates 95% positive immune response 3 years on from having the virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851497/
...which to be honest doesn't offer the same protection as natural infection."
I'd be interested in your clinical evidence for that claim.
Results from a recent Israeli study indicate that vaccinees have a 13 fold or 95% chance of a breakthrough infection in comparison to those who have natural immunity
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
No not every time, what a ludicrous argument.
Absolutely. Every time alcohol or greasy food passes your lips you are putting yourself at risk of taking up a hospital bed. Even a mildly excessive lifestyle comes with a long list of minor ailments that require regular GP visits and repeat prescriptions which cost the tax payer infinitely more than someone who doesn't get vaccinated. Just saying, if you want to judge, just make sure you're living a saintly existence.
"We're only now beginning to uncover the long term impacts of Covid infection - even in those with relatively mild symptoms."
What we don't yet know and it unlikely to ever be publicised is the long term impact of the vaccine. Those that argue the unvaccinated should not get treated by the NHS perhaps should extend the same argument to the obese or those that smoke or cause themselves self harm, drink too much etc etc.....
So many selfish people,period!
"I'm not vaccinated, my reasoning was that after I caught Covid last October, I was of the opinion that I had the antibodies to fight of a reinfection so why have a vaccine..."
Because any antibodies wane over time. Having Covid doesn't protect you from future reinfection.
"...which to be honest doesn't offer the same protection as natural infection."
I'd be interested in your clinical evidence for that claim.
Vaccines provide you with a level of protection but without the significant risks that you run by getting Covid itself. We're only now beginning to uncover the long term impacts of Covid infection - even in those with relatively mild symptoms.
I'm not vaccinated, my reasoning was that after I caught Covid last October, I was of the opinion that I had the antibodies to fight of a reinfection so why have a vaccine which to be honest doesn't offer the same protection as natural infection. One of the main reasons for investing in ABDX was that they were bringing to market a damn good antibody test which I saw was a logical step to getting the country back on it's feet again. The government seem to think otherwise pushing vaccination above testing. I see it as just as important to understand your antibody status as you can then make an informed choice on future vaccinations. The unvaccinated seem to be getting stigmatised as the spreaders of the virus when this is simply not the case as we all know that vaccinated people are just as prevalent spreaders. I am now 1 of 2 people in our workforce of 60 who are unvaccinated. My decision not to be vaccinated has been vindicated after taking a test one year on from having Covid which indicated that I had extremely high antibiotic response to fighting a Covid reinfection. Surely this is way forward !!
Testing is the important element. When I sit next to you on a flight, at a concert or a sports game I don't care if you are vaccinated, I don't care if you have had Covid. I do care about whether you have it now and if I can catch it from you or give it too you. Not anti vax but it seems that there is a movement against those that are not vaccinated. It makes no difference to me whether someone is vaccinated or not. They can still get Covid and they can still spread Covid. It's your body and your risk. Test Test Test !!! if if contagious stay indoors and away from other people .
I was just thinking about what will eventually happen with unvaccinated people.
I know 2 "anti vac" people and what they both have in common is they are as stubborn as hell. One has lost his job and due to that soon his home as well, will he consider now getting vaccinated? Not at all, quite literally over his dead body.
The goverments around the worlds strategy is clearly to make life as difficult as possible for these people in the hope they will concede and get vaccinated but if the 2 people I know are anything to go by this is just making them even more determined not get it.
This group is several million in the UK, 10's of millions in the US and will be 100's of millions globally. I figure goverments will need to work some sort of compromise with these people at some point. They can't exclude this many people from society and the workforce forever. Basically I can not see a time when covid tests are not going to be needed and in the 100's of millions each year just for this group.
LFT now replacing PCR for travel.
Another partial lockdown on the cards.
Cases and new variants flying up and some are selling this share? Each to their own but I would say having some money in LFT manufacturing/ development is a safer bet than gold right now?