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That’s now 4 people on here now who have said the postman are the union you haven’t had 1 poster to back up your augment.BTW could you enlighten me has to who are the union please
Angersharkz. They don't, they are officers of the CWU.
They are employed by the members of the CWU to act on the members behalf.
The members are the union.
I'm not sure how comes auto corrects to comedy but it's quite apt lol
And thank god the argument is coming to an end" usually comedy out when one party knows they've lost.
I've no interest in your "Trade Unions and political parties (government) operate in a very similar way and are very closely linked…" as I happen to agree on that one. The "argument " was because of your claim that "saying we are the union is like you saying you voted Labour so you are the government " and it's just simply not. For all the reasons I and others have tried to explain to you.
Definition of a trade union:
an organization of workers, usually in a particular industry, that exists to protect their interests, improve conditions of work, etc.
From Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary.
I think you've got so fixated on trying to prove your point you actually forgotten what your point was.
I only put labour because I was quoting you. You could insert any party because it had no relevance to that post or your initial statement. Are you OK hun ?
Again, just more irrelevance. Who said anything about labour and how does that reinforce your point?? Of corse he's a labour member , arnt all trade unionists?
I think maybe it's you that needs to read your posts mate , in one you say you get to vote on the government's proposals and then in the very next you says that would be ridiculous to suggest we get to vote on government proposals. Were as WE do get to vote on every proposal , then WE decide if we are happy to accept it. That is why being in a union and voting for a political party is not even comparable. And then you lower yourself to redstripes standards and start insulting posties suggesting royal mail is in a mess because posties are stupid. No, its in a mess because of greedy blinkered one track mind shareholders like yourself that can't see the wood for the trees.
Jeesus , the clue is literally in the title the UNION. A group of employees UNITED in UNISON together in UNITY fighting for what WE believe WE deserve. Yes we may employ a mouthpiece to negotiate for what we want , but ultimately the decision is ours because WE ARE THE UNION. Why do you think TP used to be a postie and all reps are posties? Yes , because they're part of the UNION of workers. I really can't make it any clearer for you . Take the £ blinkers off and open your eyes.
Fair play to you Anger you didn’t walk away from the augment so this is my last post on the matter and we are going to have to agree to disagree
I'm sorry AS but it's you that doesn't seem to be making any sense.
When you vote in an election you’re voting for the party you want to represent YOU in parliament. They make proposals YOU vote on them. The CWU are the same. Dave Ward tells you what he thinks and then you either vote yes or no? It’s quite simple?
When was the last time ( outside of brexit did you get to vote on a government proposal? We get to vote on every proposal the cwu negotiate for us. Ultimately its our decision what we accept. I don't get how you don't understand that. I think you are looking at things a very biased shareholder type way.
So I’m wrong P hunt is wrong ilseworth is wrong but your right and now you walk away and spit your dummy out people like you when they knew they have lost the augment just walk away
AS. Redceo, I’m still waiting?…..
Continue then ........
I see you couldn’t manage my question in a 1 word answer perhaps it was a bit difficult for you
The general election has nothing to do with it . We pay the CWU a money to negotiate are pay rise all the cW U are is a mouthpiece for the members in a general election do I have to pay the income iog government no . Now answer this question in a one word answer if we took took2% would there be IA and that is why we are the union we decide if we strike not the CWU
You picked the one of very few referendums that the general public happened to get a vote on. Comparing the government to the union is like apples and oranges . When you vote Labour you're just voting for the party you want to run the government , with the union you vote for the terms and conditions YOU want to have . WE are the union. We didn't vote for them , they are there to represent us .
" I know the Post Office is state run but I think it is a private limited company and has shareholders?"
Oli, will you tell him or shall I. :-)))
Anger you say members are not the union I have to disagree and I will explain why the members are the union.The Cwu recommend that we should vote for IA and that is the word recommend . Now tell me what would have happened if we decided to take 2% we would not have any IA we the members decide if we strike not cwu
AngerSharkz, POCL technically don't have to make a profit? They are a Government department.
Cwu haven't offered a figure to it's members because rm haven't offered one . And the cwu aren't going to offer rm a figure because that's not how negotiations work. You said it yourself in a post, rm go in low and cwu go in hi. 2% vs in line with inflation. Them it gets hashed out. Its the hashing out bit that rm won't take part in unless it involves changes. Quite simple really. If royal mail do happen to come back with a offer the cwu will have to put it to us , we are the union.
If royal mail offered us 5% no strings attached and the union put it to an employee vote I for one and I suspect many others would accept it to avoid AI.
Mr Isleworth - very helpful thanks
Isle. It's in everyone's interest for this to be resolved without IA. Let's hope for a positive attitude from both sides.
Commonsense5 :- "I have stopped reading most comments on this board and posting less as it is rubbish."
You couldn't be more correct "posting less as it is rubbish."
Straight from the horses mouth as they say.
has agreed to meet the CWU, so i've been told.
Good news if this is right. And i hope that all issues are covered, not just the pay rise.
I still don't think there'll be a resolution (i'd love to be proven wrong), but at least the direction we are heading in is positive.
Less than two weeks to IA. But the managers strike was called off a couple of days before action. So still plenty of time.