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Share Price: 62.15Bid: 62.15Ask: 62.16Change: -1.07 (-1.69%)Faller - Lloyds Grp.
Spread: 0.01Spread as %: 0.02%Open: 63.18High: 63.68Low: 61.95Yesterday’s Close: 63.22


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Oxo42
Posts: 5,334
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.13
Nothing's changed !
Today 16:17
If had all remained in the past, inter bred, our offspring would've, would be called errm love childs/children without education. Thank god my great,G,G,G grand parents decided to LEAVE, spread some wild oats, allowing us to decide n vote what it is WE the people want.

We even elect members and pay them, of our community to go to tribal meetings with what, WE the PEOPLE have decided, what we want. Then a vote is take with the result then declared UK law. Nothings changed, repeat, nothings changed Get the flock outa eer CrowCast. :~)
 
BoomerBower
Posts: 1,899
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.25
RE: Lost the will
Today 16:11
Levi 11 is a fair pe for this.
BoomerBower
Posts: 1,899
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.17
RE: Boomer
Today 16:03
Bruce if you read the wealth of nations it tells you everything you need to know about economics. Smith nailed 99% of the subject right there. Academia now specialises in the key hole farting bits which are of precious little use to anyone in the real world. Non endogenous growth theory and the like. Yet they dontvyse their time well and were blindly unaware putting sub prime in triple A might be a bad idea in 2007. Can't remember the eeconomics tribe pre warning us of this obvious stupidity. Chaps like scfc here blew 30k on uni fees for an education they could have gotten for free at the local library.
snige
Posts: 3,325
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.14
RE: Love you
Today 16:00
Only difference now,people are forced into private pensions.
BoomerBower
Posts: 1,899
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.18
RE: Love you
Today 15:57
Snige if you wonder who raided our private pensions it Gordan brown dividend raid which takes billions out of our pensions a year. The other robber was qe which ended the bond market as a true market with discovered rates. Bond trading now is simply a rigged market with central bankers creating and choosing millionaire bankers they like.
snige
Posts: 3,325
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.19
RE: Love you
Today 15:53
What about the the state pension at 29% of average weekly earnings.How about we get everyone to enrol into private schemes and if it goes belly up not our problem.In the meantime we can raid both state and private pension pots and the electorate will be none the wiser.
Thats basically it.You make promises to the electorate which you know you cannot keep such as our destiny and opportunity lie out there in the big wide World.....what does it mean?
BruceJamieson
Posts: 5,759
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.15
Economists
Today 15:47
I have remembered the one I like Tim Congdon
LEVIS
Posts: 2,599
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.14
RE: Lost the will
Today 15:42
Shine1. Apologies

EPS 2019 ESTIMATED 7,57P
EPS 2020 ESTIMATED 7,75P + 2% GROWTH

The traction is not there for a high PE.

Fair value might be PE 10 = 77.5p
BruceJamieson
Posts: 5,759
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.21
Love you
Today 15:39
Well QE not exactly confined to UK. Practiced hugely in USA and latterly in Europe. Annuity rates have declined in line with interest rates generally. There are plenty of alternatives to annuities, drawdown, the special schemes from LV etc and of course one should use a good IFA to check rates, look into impaired life rates or terminal if someone has cancer. Plenty of good articles in the quality press. And Labour was an enormous success last time were they not???????? Gordon Brown would not even believe Darling about the crash. And do you remember interest rates at 13% at the other end of the scale. I never could persuade clients to lock into the annuity rates available then
Love_You
Posts: 254
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.17
Flogging the same horse for 10 year
Today 15:34
Well Carnage is doing a mixture of recycling money and printing new money out of thin air.

The trouble is the winners and losers haven't changed for a decade ...and one wonders how long one can keep flogging this same strategy.....any ideas as to how long??
BruceJamieson
Posts: 5,759
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.16
Boomer
Today 15:33
There are two economists I do have time for namely Roger Bootle and another called Tim something cannot remember his surname
Love_You
Posts: 254
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.20
RE: Love you
Today 15:31
I agree....Carney is recycling money...everyone can see it and yet the man acts as though he is a magician pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

Basically the plan was simple....destroy the pension funds ….cut everyone's pensions...devalue people savings (low interest rates)...and funnel this money direct to large landowners and already wealthy businesses.

It was what might be considered a typical Conservative economic play … only one fit for about 90 years ago rather than a modern economy.... only Carney (perhaps, this is how I imagine anyway) dreamed up that perhaps if enough people were on his get rich quick schemes that the ordinary person wouldn't be able to complain that they were getting poorer: as for some reason people often blame themselves for being poor even when the economy never provided them with a chance of a job even close to matching their skills/experience/abilities.

Anyway, I don't have much knowledge of the gilt market. However I do know that annuity rates on pensions have nearly halved since 2006 …. and ultimately the responsibility for a gradual, decade-long, devaluation of people's pension must lie with the Bank of England.

Also the fall in the value of Sterling is another factor that only compounds the devaluation of pension pots/savings.

I'm not sure how many people yet really realised what has happened ....or how it all stems from an old fashioned Conservative type economic playbook that was more fitting of the 1920s than modern Britian. But maybe one day historians will tell peole what really unfolded...and how it was a time of great deception and great upheavel...to enrich small groups of landowners and special interests at the expense of pensioners, savers, and anyone with a normal job.

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/global-elites-warned-on-populist-rage-economic-uncertainty-at-world-economic-forum.html
BoomerBower
Posts: 1,899
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Price:62.23
RE: Boomer
Today 15:25
Exactly Bruce ask a physicist where the planets will be for the next 1000 years they can tell you with absolute precision using general relativity and mathematics. An economist can't forecast anything with accuracy beyond 30 days.
BruceJamieson
Posts: 5,759
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Price:62.22
Boomer
Today 15:23
They say that is you have a room of a dozen economists there will be 13 different opinions.
BruceJamieson
Posts: 5,759
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.17
Love you
Today 15:21
I totally agree with you about tidal power and the government cancelled the scheme supposed to take place in the Bristol Channel. Wind farms are inefficient and extremely dangerous to wildlife particularly birds
BoomerBower
Posts: 1,899
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.16
RE: Backbone
Today 15:19
Scfc I take it you have a BA in economics. Enough said. Economists are the ppl who never correctly predict the future and make everyone else feel bad about it. If we judge economists on their ability to predict they are roughly as useful as a two sided coin. I fortunately studied a proper science not a pseudo science like you.

Was there a point you were going to argue on free trade? For someone so boastful about their degree from nowhere polytechnic you steer clear of specific points of discussion and just insult citing this is "what lots of ppl say" as your argument. Unimpressive.
BruceJamieson
Posts: 5,759
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.17
Love you
Today 15:19
Further to what I said of course Carnage is not printing money but recycling it by means of QE which was always a dodgy way of doing things, contracted the gilt market and contributed to the demise of 100s of defined benefit pensions as the companies did not have a big enough gilt market to protect their liabilities
Love_You
Posts: 254
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.12
RE: EU Soylent Green Deal
Today 15:16
BoomerBower

At last someone is prepared to say something approaching the truth .... that the government/BoE became a laughing stock to most ordinary folk when I heard (through a land agent friend) that they were paying someone £125,000 per year for the next 20 years just to erect 18 wind turbines on that person's land. These people don't live in the real world....that person had to absolutely nothing to earn £2.5 million over the next twenty years...it's the shareholders at SSE and Centrica that have had to pay for the wind turbines and to install them.....yet people are being made millionaires just because they were (purely by chance) the landowners in the site chosen as being highly suitable for a windfarm.

It's stories like this, heard through professional friends, that really annoy he average voter ...because clearly it is just luck that someone owns some land and to turn them into millionaires just to erect a few wind turbines seems ludicrous to most people....when at the same time the government is talking about austerity and capping public sector pay to either 0% or 1%.

Basically let's just call it what it is ...it was a means of funneling who quantities of money to landowners who are traditionally far more likely to be Conservative than Labour. Otherwise they would have just legislated through Parliament that it's in the national interest to erect wind turbines and they would have paid the landowner maybe £5,000 per year for the site because the land below the turbines can still be used for grazing/sheep farming/whatever.

Also what's the point of all these wind turbines when there are bound to be a few very calm days during the year. It basiclaly means you still need a high proportion of generation capacity to come from reliable sources of power such as nuclear, gas turbines or coal.

Even tidal power would be better than wind as at least the tide is reliable and predictable. Otherwise with wind one can never phase out the older coal/gas/nuclear plants because it would only take an exceptionally calm three or four days at some point to cause blackouts across the country.

So it really peevs people that ordinary people are paying a green tax of £75 (minimum) per household in order to funnel this money straight to a group of extremely privilieged landowners at a time of public service suts, pay caps, and the government constantly saying we need austerity for the national good despite the fact it always affects the hard-working person far more than the people who have already invested in assets which hedge against inflation such as land, gold, property, bonds and even good quality shares bought at sensible times.
BruceJamieson
Posts: 5,759
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.09
Love you
Today 15:16
You make it sound as if ultra low interest rates are peculiar to the UK. They are very possibly too low in US the whole of Europe and many other places world wide. God knows what is going to push them up. Carnage always sounds to me as if he is reading a second rate script at a third rate conference. Never sounds charismatic. His portents about markets crashing and dire happenings within days of a Brexit vote were scare mongering, wildly inaccurate and typical of the man.
LEVIS
Posts: 2,599
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.10
RE: Lost the will
Today 15:08
Shine1. If Lloyds start to get more traction and EPS increase next year to 8p + and estimated 2020 to 8.5p then a PE of 12 will take Lloyds to 100p.

The big but is....will Europe be financially healthy in two years ?
Awax
Posts: 2,807
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.04
RE: EU Soylent Green Deal
Today 15:03
Well that's my day done with a late trade on one due an after hours RNS. Down to the local inn now for a beer with the landlord. Tea tonight is locally reared roast beef...........what you Soylent Greeners having, the usual??
Love_You
Posts: 254
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.03
Nice Ferrari
Today 15:03
Saw a beautiful grey Ferrari yesterday …. time to get out the bling boys and girls.....after all this QE for a decade the money is finally going to get spent instead of just accumulating in bank accounts....really?

Anyway....if the economy was really strong why can't interest rates be raised to 5%?

Every time Carney speaks I find it difficult to reconcile what he says with reality...he talks about a strong economy...the UK being a rich country....and yet interest rates need to be at 0.5% for ten years and he needs to print an extra £430 Billion during a ten year period when the national debt (as a percentage of GDP) doubled?

Someone has been having a laugh in the media ….they've not been honest about the economy for a long time ….drive out to West Wales, Up to the North of England, or West to Cornwall/Devon and you will see a load of dying villages and a few tea shops....what's the point of concentrating more and more money in cities? Surely there has to be some chance for outlying areas to grow and to receive some benefits from the past ten years when there has been a massive devaluation of people's savings....and Carney can never explain what he is achieving with all the money he is spending. Why does he want just to concentrate all the wealth and business in the very heart of the already wealthiest cities. Of course money attracts money ...therefore it would help if Carney set up a scheme to purposefully invest in outlying areas ...as ultimately that might in future attract some people away from the cities to actually spend money as part of some enjoyable daytrips out/UK-based holidays.

I just question was there a clear vision for how the UK should look in ten years time when all the money-printing was announced ten years ago? And if there wasn't a clear vision then what right did they have to devalue everyone's savings just so the economy could continue it's strange meandering course guided by short-term interests/greed.
snige
Posts: 3,325
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:61.96
SP
Today 14:55
Lloyds share price is the barometer of the UK economy,look where it's going.
It's so sad to think some here feel everything is rosy.
livestock
Posts: 1,091
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.19
lloyds dividend
Today 14:55
LEVIS
Posts: 2,599
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:62.00
Awax
Today 14:55
Gotcha.




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