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https://www.sharebuyers.co.uk/shares/tiziana-accustem-ipo-to-demerge-stemprinter/

Hmmm that was dated SEPT 2020 - "The newly listed Accustem will seek to be admitted to the standard segment of the London Stock Exchange during the fourth quarter of 2020 with a dual listing on NASDAQ on the cards for 2021.

Do I read that as a misclick - for 2020 read 2021 and for 2021 read 2022 ???!!!! or should I be thinking for 2020 read 2022 and for 2021 read 2023 ????

I've resigned myself to attirbute NIL value to my (potential) Accustem shares - when and if they finally list - at least that way anything that they are worth will amount to an (unexpected!) WINDFALL and means that (to me) there can be absolutely no negative news or down side :P believe me I feel all the better for it !

And Astro - only "gamble" what you can afford to lose !

The spread on this share makes it difficult to day trade profitably - steady decline while we lose the quick-buck and short merchants who take the decision to finally swallow their losses - I'm not sure but if u want to short this share then it probably gonna cost u more than u make at this steady rate of decline ? - No doubt that this will gear-shift on any positive news - although the opposite is also obviously true. The absence of any trading volume reflects this - how low will it go before news is anyone's guess - - on another note - it is always interesting to correlate the ratio reported trades with the number of chat entries !

Scott86 - Yes W8-BEN form - HL will send it to u online and u complete it online - every 3 years - takes about 2 minutes - as for 212 - the last I heard (was previously posted on this BB about 5 months ago and its still in rumour control - someone contacted them and shared their response) is that you will not be able to deal them on their platform - they will simply sell them on the 1st day of trading and distribute the value they receive - yeah I don't like it either but that's what you get with a no-frills platform

1. For any spin-off that is listed, OO shareholders would receive equivalent number of shares in new company? This is automatic? - Yeah pretty much

2. For any spin-off that is not listed, we would receive special dividend? - Should do - unless Cathal has better spots come about for better investments - in any case it would sit as CASH on our bottom line balance sheet which would affect the SP in a similar manner

3. There seems to be differing opinions in what the SP will do after the spin-offs - Yes your guess is as good as anyone elses !! thats why we play !

I see a couple of newbies here and would just like to make the following observations - apologies to the more experienced - I don't want to try to teach how to suck eggs !

Its kinda cosy using BBs - I liken it to a football supporters club - investors on them (for the most part) all have an insane belief that their team is the best and its really going to go places - anyone expressing a contrary view is "rightly" castigated - sometimes this absolute trust is obviously misplaced and you cannot implicitly trust everything you hear in them. Loyalty doesn't make you profit but sometimes it makes u feel good to have others share in your successes and sympathise with your miseries - Facts presented are not necessarily facts - hence DYOR (Do Your Own Research !) - if a fact is presented then check it out where you can. Only invest what you can afford to lose.

My favourite "fact" is regarding Cathal Friel - taken from his resume on the OO website

"In 2001 he was part of the team who successfully established Merrion Stockbrokers in Dublin and in 2007 he founded Raglan Capital"

This means - he KNOWS how the market works - and he KNOWS the right things to say and do

Can we trust him for the duration - I know I do ! - can you ?

Ohh I should add - I had some TILS shares with Livetrading212 - they have advised that will not list new ACCUSTEM shares - they will just make a cash payment to holders on the first day of trading - I dont know if that is the case with Freetrade - guess it depends on your broker

JC - My understanding (and its just that !) - I think its broadly correct - but remember that markets WILL move in the meantime

You simply just need to consider that the VALUE of OO consists of the sum of all its parts - that is - UNTIL any separate company in spun-off

Lets say (for example only) that the MCAP of OO is 100 million and its trading at 100 pence/share
Lets say that the market values SPINOFF as 20 million
Thats 80 Million attributed to OO and 20 million to the SPINOFF (80p OO + 20p SPINOFF)
You should get an identical number of shares in the new company that you have in OO but they will be worth less (or more !)

Once the SPINOFF demerges (ie shares are issued then OO will go "ex-rights" - a date would be published via RNS) and the value of OO would remain at 80 million (the effect being a 20% hit to the overall SP and trades inherently at 80p) and SPINOFF would react to market forces (either good or bad) that element would be a bit more of a gamble than OO as it would be an "unknown quantity" and the market will re-assess and dictate its actual new "value"/MCAP with the share price "floating" accordingly probably around 20p

A similar situation arises if a cash OFFER is made for SPINOFF - The value probably being returned to shareholders by way of a special dividend

You neither make or lose anything on the spin-off except for values MrMarket attributes to the shares

A similar situation has occurred recently with Tiziana (TILS) with their ACCUSTEM spin-off -this was actually a bit messy and is still not fully resolved after six months but you may wish to browse their RNSs to get a feel for an example in that respect

With you on this Geoffie - been meaning to top slice for weeks - instead find myself topping up and trying to work out my exit point - somewhere around Cathals predicted one billion mcap in a year appears first target !!! - thats an SP of around 150 !!!! - do i dare include the divi's to come too ??

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/944749/halma-lifts-profit-forecast-as-sales-recover-944749.html

Big drop after the presentation - predictable really on the basis of "no material news" or should I say - nothing that the market wasn't really aware of ! - impatient investors out on the quick for "better prospects" - share price seems to now be returning to previous trading range 20.5-21.5 - normal service has been resumed - waiting for serious movement on the next RNS newsworthy event GLALTH

Not much info forthcoming - much of what is available on link below fwiw

https://www.rsagroup.com/investors/offer/statements-regarding-offer/

Long Stop Date (1) 18 November 2021
(1) This is the latest date by which the Scheme may become effective. However, the Long Stop Date may be extended
to such later date as may be agreed by Regent, Tryg A/S (“Tryg”) and RSA(with the Panel’s consent and as the Court
may approve (if such approval(s) are required)).

not just here swaple !

Yeah Begood - been no serious price action here except the one spike mid-feb - reckon on everyone has their bets(sic) placed and waiting with baited breath for news on 18th - I fully expect it to go ballistic (one way or t'other) on the 19th - this time next week we'll be miwwionaires wodney !

Carzy

I'm in a similar situation when I manage investments on behalf of my ageing father !

Remember - Diversification for less risk !

My personal choices for "safer" stocks at the moment - -- HALMA - NG - SEGRO - DIAGEO

Think about FUNDS too - they will do the diversification for you - I personally like FUNDSMITH and LINDSELL/TRAIN - but again - DIVERSIFY !! and a simple tracker fund will cost less in fees (eg VANTAGE )

Another route to secure income - take a look at AV.A or AV.B currently around a simple 5% yield paid twice yearly

Gotta be a plus innit ?!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/government-scientist-recommends-three-layer-masks-to-protect-from-covid-19/ar-BB1e7Oq2?ocid=msedgntp

My view - this will trend down - absolute bottom likely (IMO) to be around 19p (thats around 20%) tho hopefully it wont sink that far - however on any rumour of possible positive news it is likely to hit 40p+ (thats around 90%) again in the bat of an eyelid - positive news may be forthcoming in a week, a month or three months - your guess as good as mine !

The ever present question for the traders is - can you trust yourself to TIME this exactly right ?

either play it safe(ish) and HOLD/BUY - this option lets me sleep easier at night !
trust your judgement and time it right - bit of a casino punt - and you'll have to be in BEFORE the RNS hits - but live by the sword etc etc
or trade the smaller swings and blips on the way

Whatever you do - it's your money and your choice - only gamble(/invest !) what you can afford to lose !

From http://www.accustem.com website - not sure how current/recent this is - site still under construction

"It is expected that the Accustem Shares will have a standard listing on the Official List and be admitted to trading on the London Stock Exchange. A process is underway to seek admission to the standard segment of the Official List and trading on the London Stock Exchange. It is expected that Accustem Admission will occur during Q1, 2021."

IMHO the sp was loaded with an expectation of SPECTACULAR assay results - Brad in the RNS mentions "challenging" and the assay results did not really live up to those high "expectations" - hence the drop - lets not forget that before Feb 12 that this was trading pretty much in the range 25 - 28 - so still around a 10% uplift regardless