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I am not connected to anyone and resent the fact that this is being stated. I simply saw the sp at a low, noted some of the ensuing difficulties at the present time, and decided to take a risk, but a small one, I'm not putting any more in than the 10k which has bought me 10 mill shares, and I know the risks, so if I lose it, I won't be happy either, but I'm accepting it's high risk. What the SHG do is of no concern to me, I'm just trying to sound out the pitfalls of litigation and how difficult it will be without any hard evidence, and in the meantime, you might be on to a hiding to nothing anyway. You need CONCRETE EVIDENCE of any form of misdemeanours, without that, no court will entertain you. You also need to be very very careful with how you try and obtain the same. If it backfires, there could be huge costs to pay to the company, so any litigation is risky in itself. For myself, I'm not convinced at all that that is the way to go. Time is of the essence here, and unless the sp starts to rise so that the market cap rises, and the company can perhaps look at alternative methods of finance, or they find a JV partner asap, then what other options are there? they could get a hostile takeover, even the JV partner as was might consider it, who knows?! But I wouldn't be knocking new investors right now if they are prepared to take the risk, but these are just my views.

If you want to form a class action for civil proceedings that's a separate matter, but the first thing a Judge will ask is where is your proof, and if you don't have any evidence to support what your claim is based on, it will be thrown out, dismissed, and you might even get a costs order against yourselves. do you want to take that risk? my views.

I've not said anything of the sort, what I have said is that taking legal action is a difficult and very time consuming path, and without the SFO making any findings, it's pretty hopeless. All I said was I speak from experience about certain things, but they are my views. It's always the same when company sp falls to close to rock bottom, and lth's get shirty, but why didn't you get out when the sp was at or near it's highest? sp's rise and fall, if there's a miraculous turn around and someone comes forward to help copl out of this mess, are you going to be complaining then? will you be contributing funds towards any legal action then? of course you won't. The best thing here is for the sp to start rising, and the hope that the company might spin some positivity on the back of it. Don't blame me for investing now, when it's like this, it's not my fault that the sp is this low, nor is it my fault that I'm taking a high risk on that either, it's my choice.

I don't work for anyone, but 28 years of legal knowledge, and common sense, and reporting issues from elsewhere to the SFO, tells me that it's not worth the time wasting your energies. As I said a day or so ago, better employed on raising issues directly with the company via YJ, demanding full and frank disclosure from them as to what exactly is happening, failing which, get the required number and call an EGM. The problem here is though that there is difficulty raising finance for the company, hence the Avanio trap, and until that can be resolved, it's touch and go, admittedly. I have bought 10 million shares during last week and today. I'm not buying any more, as it's definitely high risk, and it could go either way. I hope that you will all get your money back, preferably on a JVP occurring. I don't like to see anyone losing out, myself included. imo.

As I've stated, you need hard concrete evidence, and the only way you will secure that is if the SFO investigate, but the likelihood is that they won't. That's your only avenue in reality but I think you would be wasting your money, but that's just my opinion.

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Stas, seriously, you haven't got a chance. You need the SFO to be involved, you need concrete evidence, it takes them years to do it, if they bother, and 9 times out of 10 they don't, they have bigger fish to fry for the UK government like a certain baroness and her husband! imo.

https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/sfo-ends-six-year-quindell-investigation-with-no-further-action

HarryWh, although AIM listed and not main market, eurasia never declared who their private investor was nor issued a TR1. It appears the funds were moved offshore. The shares were likely forward sold. my views.

500 pounds that is, not shares! Chin up. GLA.

If someone is having my posts removed, shame on you. I have the one moniker, unlike some of you here who have multiple monikers that is for sure. And it was NT with HL for a short while, hence why I had to put through a load of 500 share purchases before I could buy in larger quantities again. GLA.

MickR, agreed, that's the premise I'm working on, it's the only way I can see this having a chance, and it's possible, so that's why I've bought in, but it remains high risk.

NT to buy on HL

MickR, has anyone asked the company what they are trying to do about Anavio? has anyone put forward a list of questions to the BOD through YJ? RBMInvest, why don't you compile a list of questions from all of these people who are 'angry'? and get it in to YJ? I don't like YJ myself, they usually come in as a last resort to fend off investors from the Board when things get tough, but assuming the BOD are paying them a handsome price for the privilege, then use them and demand answers?

Enjoy your day, the time to risk it and buy is now imo, surely you lot want people to buy in, not deter them, after all, why did you invest in the first place? you have to take the rough with the smooth, we all get stung, you have to take responsibility for your investment decisions, because no one else ever has your back, and certainly not the FCA or SFO, and if you didn't exit when you had the chance, it's hard, I've been there, haven't we all, but you just have to pick yourself up and carry on.

Warnings afoot, WHO preparing us for next shut down, manufactured no doubt to produce ceasefires and possible peace agreements? markets will slip further, they're already jittery, hold cash where you can in my opinion, rought times ahead all round, as if we haven't had enough already.

By the way, I'd still warn against legal action, embroil the company in that and it will definitely sink. Out of interest though, if there was suddenly a rise in the sp, would you all still be making very 'libelous' comments? Be careful folks, I mean that in friendly terms, but be careful what you say out loud, despite the anger.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/who-warns-countries-to-prepare-for-pandemic-20-times-deadlier-than-covid/

Doc83 - you need to catch up!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/officer-issues-conscription-warning-as-nato-braces-for-all-out-war-with-russia

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/direct-order-from-putin-five-nato-countries-in-danger-zone/

the countries listed are Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuainia.

Markets have been slipping the last 10 days or so, time to hold a wedge of cash at the mo imo and keep your options open.

Unfortunately these closed shop TG groups tend to rule the roost and Board members sometimes have a penchant to communicate with them, providing snippets here and there. I know this as a fact.

So wise up people, that sp needs to be moving in an upward trajectory, so get a list of questions to the Board via YJ and get the wheels in motion. If the Board fail to respond, you can always call an EGM, as I'm sure there's enough of you to enable that, but legal proceedings would be fruitless imo, the company can't afford to be embroiled in litigation, it will sink the coffers, and you'll sink yourselves, and if you snitch them, who is going to run the company then, when it's a leaky ship? That saying, better the devil you know springs to mind! my views.

I've just looked in and cannot be bothered to read all these bickering posts.

Firstly, greater issues ahead than this here, NATO have just let it be known that Europe might be heading towards conscription so the prospect of a war involving ourselves with Russia is looking ever closer.

Secondly, given that news, you don't have time to bicker away here and take legal proceedings and so on. It's just the same as eurasia. In case you are unaware, a certain closed shop TG group almost certainly led an assault on the sp from the nothing to 43p! It was clearly done to aid the company and their financing structure. The company don't own the metals in the ground, the Russian govt do, and they will be wanting them soon I suspect, the company actually owns just about zilch and is not in production, so no revenue either, yet it did a massive assent from the graveyard to 43p, those in the know profited highly, and the rest got dumped, including myself I will add, as I lost a 6 figure sum, probably like some here might be losing.

Thirdly, during the prolific sp rise from the ashes, a private investor, whose identity has never been disclosed, as no TR1 filed, stumped up a load of money and the company stashed it in to offshore accounts, clearly untouchable by shareholders! The company although listed in the UK, owns no assets here either!

The sp dropped like a clanger in the end, just like cloudtag did, who had the same TG group members ramping that as well. A lot of us were suckered in to that one as well. If you don't know the histories, read back on the forums, cloudtag is still there for all to see, and there was a prolific ramper involved, Aberdeenman, who is Mac on the eurasia forum.

Lastly, let me say this, it is not worth your while pursuing the Board, you need funds to do it, and as I said last night, that is going to be in the hundreds of thousands. It serves no purpose and the FCA won't do anything, neither will the SFO as they failed to do anything on Quindell. So it's a waste of energy that could be served more purposefully imo on firstly, shoving a list of on point questions to Yellow Jersey and demanding a response via them from the company.

The only way this company will rise from the ashes as I see it, is if it can re-finance away from Anavio. To do that, they need an uplift in the sp, so rather than spouting loads of negativity, you have to put the past behind you here, that's gone, but you need to look forward, and ask yourselves how can they raise finance away from Anavio and get rid of that problem. How can the company put out some positive news, surely there must be some snippets they can get out, and YJ should be helping them in that regard. My personal opinion would have been that they dropped the negative news first in that rns of 10 Jan, and then issue separate rns(s) afterwards announcing the additions of the new people, including the finance guy, and the other bod, that might have helped rejuvenate the sp a little

2857mal, you state;

"Tom R , Anavio and those complicit in fraud , and insider dealing may not be sleeping that well.......knock knock...."

Evidence?

I'm also trying to work out what Atlas's intentions are? Are they here in the hope of picking up on a distressed sale, or are they here so as to look at alternative forms of investment? anyone know what the score is with Atlas please? If they've been selling down, which appears to be the case, it may be they have plans to help the company refinance with may be a new suitor and so selling out removes any possible raised eyebrows if you get my drift?