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Titled: "It's Not Too Late to Buy Surging Rolls-Royce Shares"
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Hi Watchman, as ridiculous as this sounds (because it is certainly not "sound investment logic"!), I have him to thank for selling here. I was SO sick of this Board and the utterly disingenuous waffle being written (and then repeated ad nauseam), that I decided that I had had enough and sold out. The more rubbish that was being rammed down people's throats (and the nasty bullying too) the more it made me think and subsequently doubt DT! Yes, Yes, I know! Not exactly taken from the "Bible of Sound Investing"!! But the more it was ramped and the more toxic that this board became, the more I actually began to doubt the wisdom of being invested in DT. With that, I decided to sell and (currently at least) I am nearly £1.30 better off, in terms of extended losses that I would have sustained (I only lost £2,500 so no big deal). Too much historical debris here and reputational damage done now for my liking. I don't look in here very much now, so my apologies if I don't reply to anything that might have my 'name' on from you! I do wish you the very best here though. Have a good weekend :)

"A bit disappointing share price last 2 days"....err don't you mean the last two years? DT has been an absolute hound to be invested in; unless you were smart and got out at £9+. . . .

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-11783795/Rolls-Royce-boss-says-group-capable-more.html?ico=mol_desktop_money-newtab&molReferrerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fmoney%2Findex.html&_ga=2.155291448.2045865700.1676823125-1713648420.1661251375&_gl=1*spbmhd*_ga*MTcxMzY0ODQyMC4xNjYxMjUxMzc1*_ga_XE0XLFFF16*MTY3NzE0NDk3OC4yMzEuMS4xNjc3MTQ2NjkyLjAuMC4w

For the second time in succession Berenberg Bank have reduced their Target Price for DT. It 'was' £10. Then they reduced it (100% as I expected and reported) to £6. Now, as at 20th February, it is further reduced to £5.20! They make it up as they go. Personally, I think that £5.20 is still a bit fanciful, but March 8th will provide folk with a better compass bearing on that. . . . in the meantime take a look at Rolls Royce, as its recovery is clearly gathering momentum. Very sweet results today :)

Personally, I think that the market will like these results. No need for the usual "Results day" mark down. . . .

EasiWynns - In pretty much all listed companies staff at a variety of levels are incentivised via the more 'vanilla' bonus route and then, at the more senior levels (i.e. VP, Snr VP, Director, Executive Board etc.) by LTIP's (Long Term Incentive Plans). LTIP's are a critical part of the remuneration package and can be vested after a period of time (usually 3 to 5 years). In addition, within the Private Equity space, there is something called "Carry", which effectively can also pay out hundreds of thousands of pounds (and more) should a Fund/Co-invest perform at or above promised returns. So, yes how a share performs makes a massive difference to how much an individual might take home over, let's say, a four year period. There is just one fly in the ointment however! At CEO level it 'can' encourage a CEO and his/her Executive Board to be 'biased' to building the share price - and not the business! It happens quite a bit and I personally know a CEO very well, who has almost developed a 'reputation' (in the negative sense) to growing the share price, enjoying the LTIP's that result and then moving on to a new listed CEO role (and yes, you can grow a share without actually growing the company!). I should also point out, that Executives can and do move on, if they think that their LTIP's are quite simply not going to materialise (i.e a consistently poorly performing share). SO, the ideal scenario is a nice steadily growing company; with a nice steadily growing share price. That way everyone internally (and externally) is a winner - and the company also gets to retain its top talent; which is a lot harder than it sounds to achieve! ATB

https://www.fool.co.uk/2023/02/14/just-how-low-could-the-darktrace-share-price-go/

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Given current events in the Ukraine, Turkey and Syria, that is an incredibly inappropriate header AllAtSea. This share dealing stuff, is meaningless nonsense and very much a greedy 'first world' topic, when compared to the suffering taking place in those countries. Choose your headers more carefully.

£3.79p is not a huge loss. I averaged £4.19p. Big deal. Sometimes getting out is a better course of action than waiting for £2.30 (and soon to be) below. Enjoy your investment. I'm sure your conviction will reap dividends (excuse the pun as this company is light years away from paying any). The level of absolute defensiveness here says it all. An obnoxious comic board. This will go sub £2.

further buying opportunities will present themselves in the £1.50p to £2 range over the course of this year. That big red flag 11th January RNS is being totally overlooked by the 'shorting' obsessed rampers here. No need to fear missing out out on anything here, as it has trended down for over a year now. It'll go sub £2. Enjoy your fantasy world posters here; most of it is highly disingenuous and designed solely to mislead. Nasty

a really excellent summation of the situation Watchman. Sadly, that is precisely how this has moved since its IPO. Indeed, I think it will continue to be a very anxious calender year for holders here. Next month's RNS needs really great numbers (not just top-line growth) and everything else to be 100% 'squeeky clean' and not open to interpretation, in any way. . That, and only that, will shut the market naysayers up. But it will be easier said than done. Whatever the result, I hope that it looks after you better than it has since its IPO. Have a good weekend . . . . . :)

wow this board has become very acerbic; you can almost smell the fear! Some rather disingenuous stuff being written too. Reads more like a cheap £1 comic, with some pretty odd characters in. I thought 'you know who' was bad; but here you now have a whole load of new and even more dodgy, boiler-room rampers! Bickering doesn't affect the share price; so play nice boys and girls! :)

The Market won't be anything like as easily pleased as you I'm afraid. And as for the Share buy Back! That's like feeling so hungry, that you have to eat your own hand. Short term fix but simply designed simply to try to prop the share price up. A share crutch if you like! This is more of a Mickey Mouse AIM company the way that it is run and, more importantly viewed than a FTSE250 organisation. Plus a further downgrade today to boot! Wow currently standing at just £2.20p -
what a spectacular disappointment DT has proven to be, for its long suffering [and hugely out of pocket] Shareholders.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-11698145/Darktrace-shares-plunge-short-seller-attack.html?ico=mol_desktop_money-newtab&molReferrerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fmoney%2Findex.html&_ga=2.63622827.586306605.1674855752-758613370.1661027890&_gl=1*1m8p7ds*_ga*NzU4NjEzMzcwLjE2NjEwMjc4OTA.*_ga_XE0XLFFF16*MTY3NTIzMjgxMC4xMzQuMS4xNjc1MjMyOTExLjAuMC4w

There have been so many 'stories' about DT now, that the "reputational damage" has become increasingly impossible for it to shake off. Indeed DT seems mired in controversy, one way or another, pretty much at all times! One thing that's for sure is that, rightly or wrongly, there will be more of it to come too. Only seriously glittering results, will put a stop to it, I suspect. . . .

NewKOTB / Oldgold - exactly and just as I said yesterday. This isn't an 'investment' anymore, it's a 'punt'. You are better to exit with a bloody nose (hopefully having learned some harsh lessons along the way!) than sit around waiting for it to get broken. And as for the share being "manipulated"; I was reading exactly the same thing when this share was £10, £9, £8, £7, £6, £5, £4, £3 and now at £2! It has fallen from grace spectacularly, for good reason. There is every chance, if any of these Shorters do actually know more than others here, (100% guaranteed!) then I will doubtless be reading that it is once again being "manipulated" when it has fallen to £1! "Heads they Win, Tails you Lose"! ATB :)

100notout. Re-read the RNS from 11th January 2023. NOT helpful for DT. 'If' (and nobody can know) the 'situation' is getting worse in terms of Sales ('cost of' in addition to 'value of'), then in come the Shorters. This 'may' be what is happening; again nobody can be certain. Either way, this is a fantastic example of a company totally destroying Shareholder value. Not great I'm afraid. Next 'Trading Support' sits at £1.95p. ps "hello Oldgold". Hope life (other than this hound!) is treating you very well. All the best and I truly hope that this has some kind of a happy outcome for you :)