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I agree they talk about it as if its a done deal. Even if all the charging points were of the required specification and available how in earth does everyone plug in at once. Guess they will say at home not an issue and on the road its equivalent to H2 fuelling time. I also wondered whether the electricity for EV could be classed as green. At present I think that answer is no.

The last bit of text No less an authority than Dr. John Goodenough of the University of Texas in Austin has given his endorsement to the company’s technology. “Enevate’s film-based silicon-dominant anode and cell is a truly novel approach and great practical fit for use in EVs addressing the major barriers to EV adoption,” he says. Enevate’s silicon-dominant anode technology is exciting news, but the company provides no information in its press release about what sort of charging equipment is needed to make the miracle of 5 minute charging possible, nor does it say where such chargers can be found, who will build and operate them, or how much they will cost. Check out our new 93-page EV report, based on over 2,000 surveys collected from EV drivers in 49 of 50 US states, 26 European countries, and 9 Canadian provinces. Tags: Enevate, EV superfast charging, high energy density, silicon dominant anode, Superfast charging About the Author Steve Hanley writes about the interface between technology and sustainability from his home in Rhode Island. You can follow him on Google + and on Twitter. "There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." Elie Wiesel

Enevate Promises 5 Minute Charge Time For Its Silicon-Dominant Lithium-Ion Battery November 3rd, 2017 by Steve Hanley  This story about fast charging battery technology from Enevate was first published by Gas2 Enevate, located in Irvine, California, claims its latest silicon-dominant lithium-ion battery technology makes 5 minute charging possible. In a press release, the company says an electric car equipped with one of its batteries can add 240 miles of range in just 5 minutes or 50 miles of range in a minute. Enevate cites several advantages for its batteries. Each battery has an energy density of 750 Wh/L and can be safely charged at temperatures as low as -40º Celsius. It can absorb more energy from regenerative braking than a traditional EV battery. Last, the company claims that eliminating range anxiety due to faster charging times could allow manufacturers to offer smaller, less expensive batteries, which would reduce the cost of electric vehicles and make them more attractive to buyers. “The benefits of Enevate’s silicon-dominant HD-Energy Technology enable next-generation features that take EVs to the next level,” says founder & chief technology officer Dr. Benjamin Park. “Extreme fast charges for very short and convenient charging times, higher energy density leading to longer driving ranges, and cold temperature operation with inherent safety advantages make this technology ideal for electric vehicles.”

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/03/enevate-promises-5-minute-charge-time-silicon-dominant-lithium-ion-battery/ Not sure if avaiable, cost or degradation of battery.

Apologies I should have started a new thread. Great find on the chris evans article. I found the IONITY article and thought it was worth posting. The EV vs FCEV debate is certainly getting interesting. Glah

So you have to pay to recharge using these points. Also is the electricity green? I assume not yet.

Here is the IONITY text. What are your thoughts on this guys. I dont think its the answer but EV has a headstart. One of the major hurdles electric cars need to get over before coming mainstream is charging on the go. As great as it is to buzz along the interstate in Ludicrous mode in a Model S or driving Uber in a Nissan Leaf, you still need a more practical way to charge on the go. Stateside Tesla has been working on growing its Supercharger Network ahead of the release of the Model 3 due out sometime before nuclear winter. Over in Europe, a few major car brands are combining their powers Captain Planet style to create a huge combined charging system. BMW Group, Daimler AG, Ford, and the Volkswagen Group with Audi and Porsche announced a joint venture to develop and install a High-Power Charging (HPC) network for electric cars in Europe. The network is called IONITY and will span across Europe with the hopes of 400 HPC stations by 2020. Heading the effort based in Munich are Chief Executive Officer Michael Hajesch and Chief Operating Officer Marcus Groll. Commenting on the new initiative, Hajesch said, “The first pan-European HPC network plays an essential role in establishing a market for electric vehicles. IONITY will deliver our common goal of providing customers with fast charging and digital payment capability, to facilitate long-distance travel.”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/15772/ionity-set-to-charge-european-electric-highway-revolution%3fsource=dam Automakers have created ionity for fast charging network. Is this to get something in place now prior to improvements later. Guess EV are slighthly ahead of H2 in terms of infrastructure so maybe not too surprising.

Replacing gasoline and diesel with hydrogen is one of the answers to reducing CO2 emissions. The goal of the EU-backed H2ME Project is to help develop this technology. There are a number of advantages in using hydrogen over battery-electric vehicles according to their makers. �It drives very smoothly, you don�t have any noise from the engine,� says Tejs Laustsen Jensen. �The benefits are that you can keep the pattern you are familiar with, go into a refueling station and fill up your tank in 3 to 5 minutes and then you are on the way again with a range of 400 to 600 kilometres.� One of the challenges is to produce �clean� hydrogen from renewable sources. The technology already exists. In the city of Sheffield in northern England, this station is equipped with an electrolizer. The wind turbine provides the energy needed to produce on-site hydrogen using water electrolysis. �Most of the hydrogen that we have today comes from fossil fuels,� says Ben Madden, project coordinator at H2ME. �But when we think of using hydrogen for mobility and transport we are thinking about green hydrogen production sources. We can directly couple renewables with a single wire to the production source and then to our mobility.� Research is well underway. The aim is to improve the efficiency of electrolyzers, the devices that separate water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen can then be purified and stored on site. ITM Power is a company that specialises in the manufacture of integrated hydrogen energy systems, and is developing advanced electrolyzers to produce what it calls �clean� hydrogen. �We can make the hydrogen when electricity is in surplus, when the cost is lowest and when it�s greenest. And we can make it anywhere. So we can make it on site at the petrol station, or should I rather say, the refueling station. And that enables us to eliminate the need for tanker delivery of fuel,� says Charles Purkless, business development manager at ITM Power. The challenge is also to bring down the cost. Today, it is much more expensive to buy and run a hydrogen-fueled car than a conventional one. According to H2ME�s Ben Madden, �What we would hope is that by around 2025, you will have equivalent costs owning a hydrogen vehicle and fueling a hydrogen vehicle compared to a petrol or diesel vehicle today, that�s the target.� Will hydrogen cars compete with battery-powered cars? Their makers say there is room for both on the road. �The mix of the future vehicle will be between battery and hydrogen, and you can already see that there are battery-hydrogen hybrids on the road, etc� I think we will see all three solutions, but we need to compete first and foremost against the fossil technologies,� concludes Tejs Laustsen Jensen. The ambition being to see hundreds of thousands of hydrogen

Good find davsk Microsoft Is Getting Hungry for Fuel Cells Microsoft Corp. is moving to use fuel cells at its power-hungry server farms, saying the technology may double the efficiency of energy used. The software company is testing how it can use the devices to generate electricity and plans to install a 10-megawatt fuel cell within a few years at a cost of about $45 million. �This technology is very, very disruptive, and we�re investing a lot of time and money into it,� said Sean James, principal research program manager at Microsoft�s R&D program on energy strategy. �We could almost double the energy efficiency. We�ve been able to model and measure in the lab that with fuel cells.� Once so expensive that they were only used in laboratories and space projects, fuel cells have spread to more commercial applications seeking lower-pollution forms of energy. They generate electricity through a chemical reaction involving natural gas, hydrogen or a biofuel. Companies developing them including Ballard Power Systems Inc., Ceres Power Holdings Plc and FuelCell Energy Inc. are also seeking to put them into home heating and to extend the range of electric vehicles....... While it will be using natural gas in its fuel cells at first, it will seek to procure a clean fuel such as hydrogen made from renewable energy in a similar fashion that it signs power purchase agreements with solar and wind developers, James said. While Microsoft would like to install fuel cells in its data centers as soon as possible, the industry is nascent and it�s not possible to buy the devices at the scale that the company would need, according to James. �Essentially what we want to do is get out of R&D as soon as possible and actually use them to power the data center, we hope to do that as soon as possible,� he said. �Unfortunately we have a supply chain issue. I need hundreds of megawatts of these things.�

EuroNews films hydrogen cars in Denmark On Thursday, October 19, the director of the hydrogen industry, Tejs Laustsen Jensen, hosted a film crew from the pan-European news channel EuroNews. EuroNews has set up a plan to drive a trip to a hydrogen car and test the Danish hydrogen infrastructure. With Tejs Laustsen Jensen behind the wheel, the film crew was driven from Copenhagen Sydhavn to Kors�r to experience how it feels like driving a hydrogen car and understanding how a fuel cell and hydrogen refueiling works. Before the film team landed in Copenhagen, they were in Sheffield, England, where they visited the ITM Powers electrolysis plant and its Wind Hydrogen Fuel Station , a hydrogen fueling station where on-site electrolysis is connected to its own wind turbine. Both the ITM Power and the hydrogen industry are part of the European H2ME project , which is aimed at spreading the technology, and not least the knowledge of hydrogen and fuel cell technology applications in the transport sector. Therefore, the hydrogen industry is also very pleased that EuroNews found its way past Copenhagen. EuroNews is transmitting in more than 102 countries - so the happy message about hydrogen for transportation can reach far and wide.

Thanks PDV - here is the translated version The Norwegian government wants to introduce a one-time tax for electric cars based on the weight. If the tax is introduced, it will mainly hit owners of the Tesla Model X, weighing up to 2 500 kilograms, significantly more than other electric cars in the market. The motive for the new tax, which is already called "Tesla-tax", is that electric cars weigh more than ordinary cars, thus causing more wear and tear on the roads. "The government is playing with the electric car market and acts in violation of the Storting's signals. Now the government's tax bomb has to be stopped in the budget negotiations, "said the Norwegian Electric Vehicle Association Secretary Christina Bu. And there seem to be plans for a Swedish so-called "Tesla-tax". A "future mileage tax for passenger cars" in Sweden is being investigated in projects funded by the Swedish Energy Agency, according to the Swedish Environment Institute. The purpose is to find out how to reduce emissions from passenger cars, while compensating for tax revenues as the number of petrol and diesel-powered cars on the roads decreases. It writes Dagens Industri . "... starting to look at such solutions at the moment, sends completely wrong signals," said Mattias Goldmann, CEO of Tanker Fores, to DI. Leif Jacobsson, State Secretary at the Ministry of Finance, states that the government has no plans to introduce such a tax without the authorities themselves having taken their own initiative to investigate the possibility.

Courtesy of perrydevere on the ieh board The Norwegian government wants to introduce a one-time tax for electric cars based on the weight. If the tax is introduced, it will mainly hit owners of the Tesla Model X, weighing up to 2 500 kilograms, significantly more than other electric cars in the market. The motive for the new tax, which is already called "Tesla-tax", is that electric cars weigh more than ordinary cars, thus causing more wear and tear on the roads. "The government is playing with the electric car market and acts in violation of the Storting's signals. Now the government's tax bomb has to be stopped in the budget negotiations, "said the Norwegian Electric Vehicle Association Secretary Christina Bu. And there seem to be plans for a Swedish so-called "Tesla-tax". A "future mileage tax for passenger cars" in Sweden is being investigated in projects funded by the Swedish Energy Agency, according to the Swedish Environment Institute. The purpose is to find out how to reduce emissions from passenger cars, while compensating for tax revenues as the number of petrol and diesel-powered cars on the roads decreases. It writes Dagens Industri . "... starting to look at such solutions at the moment, sends completely wrong signals," said Mattias Goldmann, CEO of Tanker Fores, to DI. Leif Jacobsson, State Secretary at the Ministry of Finance, states that the government has no plans to introduce such a tax without the authorities themselves having taken their own initiative to investigate the possibility.

Microsoft continues to experiment with the concept of data centers run on gas-powered fuel cells, building upon previous attempts dating back to 2012. In this latest step, the cloud giant is partnering with McKinstry and Cummins on The Advanced Energy Lab 20-rack deployment in Seattle. The partners are running a 20-rack test in Seattle Microsoft continues to experiment with the concept of data centers run on gas-powered fuel cells, building upon previous attempts dating back to 2012. In this latest step, the cloud giant is partnering with McKinstry and Cummins on The Advanced Energy Lab 20-rack deployment in Seattle. SHOW FULLSCREEN christian belady, sean james, microsoft advanced energy lab, microsoft Christian Belady and Sean James at Microsoft�s Advanced Energy Lab Source: Microsoft Going off grid Back in 2012, Microsoft announced plans to install a data center module called ITPAC along with a fuel cell at Wyoming�s Dry Creek Water Reclamation Facility. The experiment progressed slowly, and was officially launched two years later. During that time, Microsoft also partnered with the National Fuel Cell Research Center at the University of California Irvine, where it tested in-rack fuel cells. Now, the company is taking the next step, with GM Christian Belady and principal Sean James writing in a blog post: �We�re excited to announce our partnership with McKinstry and Cummins to build the world�s first gas data center. In this pilot, racks are directly connected to natural gas pipes and fully powered by integrated fuel cells instead of traditional electrical gear. �The Advanced Energy Lab is a 20-rack data center pilot located in Seattle. What makes this project so disruptive is how radically it simplifies the process of powering servers and how this could almost double the energy efficiency of data centers - all while reducing costs and improving reliability.� The $3.4 million project is in part-funded by a $674,000 grant from a Washington state program that aims to promote clean energy technology. It still, however, requires clearance from city officials. While the concept is in its formative stages, Microsoft has high hopes for the concept, telling The Seattle Times that its research suggests that that mass-produced fuel cells would cut the cost of installing a new data center rack by at least 10 percent, and drop operating costs by 21 percent. That equates to about $80 per rack, per month, Microsoft�s researchers claim.

I am with barclays and received a letter in error about this very thing. I was pretty sure it was an error but checked and they confirmed letter sent in error. Itm are not delisting.

Dont they have a presence in california albeit a small one.

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I have just read the detail of the tweet and what a great story it is. We have momentum. Glah

Agreed. You cant argue with a profit. Not sure of the risk related to buying in when it drops to 40. Just my opinion. Glah