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British gas was involved in the conversation and very much against breaking the link.

There reasoning was it would make the energy market unstable.

All agreed gas was the highest price that set electric renewables.

I guess we just wait to see if the government responds.

Hi Pbow it was a discussion, but Gregg offered up the main points.

What I was unaware of.

Is that the price of electricity is fixed to the single highest plant in the country, be that renewables, gas, oil or indeed nuclear.

I was astonished.

Every time the price is fixed, gas is the most expensive by some margin.

If the link between gas and electricity is broken.

Then energy prices being some of the most expensive in Europe, become the cheapest in Europe.

Surprisingly British gas is against this, as gas fired power stations could not survive.

Gas is the problem.

Just been listening to Gregg Jackson on why electricity prices are high in the UK.

It's because it's linked to the gas price.

Last year wind turbines were stopped generating in windy weather and the government gave them 1 billion pounds compensation.

This is what keeps the price of electricity high.

Scotland produces three times more from renewables than the country needs.

We need storage, but not as much as I thought.

If gas operated in an open market against renewables, then gas would go bust.

This is why our bill's are so high.

Octopus are now asking the government to end the electricity price link to gas and operate in a free market.

On car batteries, even ones that are ten years old.

If you don't discharge them below 20% and don't charge above 80% they are lasting 20 years plus, and will still store energy after 20 years, just not as much, but most will still store 80% after 20 year's.

Morning Pbow a very constructive discussion.

Without solar you will be able to get free power with V2H as the cheapest power to purchase is after 2am.

You can top up for about 7-10 pence per kilowatt.

You can sell it back to the grid for between 26p to over a pound a unit, thus with a 55kw battery, having large storage means drive your car about 200 miles a day, pay nothing for your power, and make a profit.

You are partially correct depending on the way you look at it.

Yes the poorest in society who live in rented accommodation lose out.

But anyone who owns their own house even without being able to afford it makes money.

You get companies that will install solar for free and take power which the household pays a lower rate, and they don't pay for the installation.

I looked at this and decided it was better to have my own setup.

I also had the advantage from one of my friends setup on the first FITS scheme.

He only has a 3 KW installation and no battery.

But because the payments are more generous he makes money.

Just not as much as me, as he hardly exports anything.

Very worth looking at if you own your own house.

Good morning Pbow, I apologise.

You are correct that it is the lifetime price, which is how it calculates the infrastructure already built.

Whereas the CFD price doesn't.

So in real terms gas more expensive.

Also we haven't applied the carbon credit which is coming down the road.

This is the true cost of pollution and the clean up costs of CO2.

As Tesla says V2H is going to settle this discussion for good.

We will have the opportunity to use the power generated that goes to waste at the moment, and bring baseload down, so only intensive industry will be in the calculation.

More and more commercial, using renewables to cut their energy bills.

Payback on solar for a house installation such as mine is just under 4 years and thats with a 9.5 KVA battery.

I don't pay any energy bills between March and up to last week of October last year.

Plus I get credit.

Heat pump is very efficient, but even with credit earned from the summer, I still had to pay just over £130 for the year.

I am hoping that we octopus energy give me a solar tariff with no standing charge. I should be able to eliminate or cut that amount.

Pbow you are looking at the contract for difference, and not 2025 prices.

According to recent reports, a megawatt of power generated from solar in the UK in 2025 is estimated to cost around £41 per megawatt-hour. This price reflects a significant decrease compared to previous years and positions solar as one of the most cost-effective renewable energy sources in the UK.

The £41 price, does not include the previous build cost only the maintenance, as once solar is constructed it's incredibly cheap to maintain.

Also life spans are increasing every year.

You cannot use a CFD price, as that is price paid, not price to generate, and yes the £41 figure calculates transmission charge as well.

Also because of this it is scheduled to fall to under £21 per megawatt by 2030.

Pbow I don't know all the figures, but solar is 41.18 per megawatt currently.

Slug most of the year solar exports more than it uses.

If you use your car to power the house, then even if you don't have solar, you charge it off peak at between 7-10 pence a kilowatt and power the house and sell back excess at 26 p per kilowatt.

Plus have enough to drive your car.

Pbow i started out as an electrical engineer.

What you have said is not true.

First renewables are in place.

We are now talking about storage.

The storage revolution is on its way.

However the big revolution will be V2H.

It will mean along with wind and solar, that it will not matter if the sun doesn't shine and yhe the wind doesn't blow.

However some nuclear will be required on a declining scale.

As we all know Slug is an imbecile and he has told lies about everything, and this article shows he is lieing again.

Its official.

Wind power is six times cheaper than gas.

In fact all renewables are cheaper than the fossil fuels.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/if-wind-energy-is-six-times-cheaper-than-gas-then-show-me-the-money-5012922

This is why you are an imbecile slug.

You quote an article in the telegraph with S Braverman who by your very definition you don't consider English.

You really are a first class idiot.

This is why you are an imbecile slug.

You quote an

Well said Eloro.

Slug is not only a RAC.ist, but has a real hatred towards women, demonstrated in the way he talks about them.

He has been banned many times on here, people should report his latest post, the only people that defend him are people who think like him.

Closet rac.ists.

Slug you are the person that makes others ashamed to be English.

Take a long hard look at yourself.

Not true Monte Christo.

BP have reduced spend, but they are proceeding slower and making money, just not as much as they thought.

We have another share holder on the book, who is happy with the current approach.

This was always going to happen.

BP are big on hydrogen and solar.

Adieuk32 this is 2023, so much has changed.

Also the we are not mine builders comment, was about we would hire the expertise if this was not sold.

Not only is the PFS being designed at the moment.

But the people designing it are mine builders and block cave experts.

No I didn't Jezzoo.

I thought everyone knows about Euro 7 standards so wasn't teaching people to suck eggs.

It was also informative on why people are choosing hybrids at this moment, but that won't last.

Some of it was alluded to in the article you posted.

But the car market is a world wide market and you cannot make manufacturer decisions based on what Trump says when he will be gone in four years.

He will have to reverse nearly all his decisions he has made so far or give over the American economy to the Chinese who will not only steal the American car industry, but also the European one as well unless we can make affordable electric cars.

Slug more misinformation and lies from you, check your facts.

DFens then you must show what the world's scientific community have got wrong.

You can't so your argument is too post lies.