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Wonder if we will be surprised. It t has red days than green.

The other big difference between the 2 is probably the Debt. Given the debt to asset value vodafone should have folded years ago. Its a business burdened by debt and clearly no believable plan apart from same as usual which leads to more of the same each year. Debt goes up, higher bonuses paid , share price goes down and it all starts all over.

BUZZ – Rolls – Royce falls over 3% to bottom of FTSE 100 after trading update
9 December 2021 09:04e
* Shares of British engineering co down as much as 3.2% at 124.2p, biggest loser on the FTSE 100 blue-chip index
* The business is still heavily reliant on civil aviation engine flying hours and even though it is improving, it is still below its full-year target, says CMC Markets analyst Michael Hewson
* RR says its flying hours are now at 50% of 2019 levels, which is below its target of reaching 55% by the end of 2021
* Co, which has more than 400 airlines, says travel recovery remains uneven due to the pandemic
* RR expects it free cash outflow in FY21 to be better than the previous outlook of 2 bln pounds ($2.64 billion) thanks to cost cuts and a recovery in the broader market
* JP Morgan says it expects RR's 2022 free cash flow to break even, but predicts Omicron to bring downside risk to it if engine flying hours become weaker
* "While external uncertainties clearly remain, we have seen continued gradual recovery in our civil aerospace business" - Warren East, Rolls-Royce Chief Executive Officer
* Including session's losses, stock has risen 12.6% YTD, compared with a 13.7% increase in FTSE 100 ($1 = 0.7573 pounds)

Such a great bargain isn't being snapped up but sold off.

Anyone with thoughts on why in 30 days Bt has risen 25% while vodafone has gone backwards.

ROLLS-ROYCE: Rolls-Royce expects free cash outflow in fiscal year 2021 to be better than its previous guidance of 2 billion pounds ($2.64 billion), thanks to cost cuts and the broader market recovery, the engineering group said.

Again seems like nothing is believed and the SP tumbles. Perhaps they should stop making announcements.

This should have soated today

Simply saying that anyone who bought above todays levels got it wrong is simply calling out those who purchased high and held as the ramper fortune tellers all claimed should be done as an investment or averaging down each day I suspect the reason why they are no longer out in force is because they couldn't stand behind their posts and sold out,lickng their wounds along the way. Of course one could sell but who wants to make a loss. Apparently anyone buying vodafone are in loss as soon as they click buy and it just goes south further. Ramp, whinge makes no difference but am glad there is a balanced view

Funny they just dissappear so quickly. Bury their heads in the sand and never admit they got it wrong.
Its Easy to post nasty comments about other posters opinions but the reality is rather than lash out at the company based on performance and history they block views and posts and cannot handle anyone who dosent agree with their them and personally slate them. Just the snow
Very sad. I hold over 40000 of these in my SIp and CFDs and I am concerned more each week as the company goes from bad to worse yet competition move ahead. The company does not want to change its direction even though the market appears to have no confidence and the debt grows and the SP dives. The dividend is ok based on todays value but based on those holding shares for years its not.
Just hope for a change as a company that has 1blue and 4 red consistently won't last forever regardless of the rampers best hopes. Something will need to give for it to merge, change direction or keep borrowing to pay for licences that can't return the investment and eventually become a casualty when interest rates rise. Annoyed that those running this keep heading tormented the train lights.

When is this going to show any green shoots.. just falls week after week

Ita a lost cause. So far in debt it will never get out. Iinterest rates rising and any increases on interest payments won't come from suspended staff bonuses they will come at the expense of dividends. Increasing borrowings to pay for licences that will never pay back and competition killing it off. No wonder BT rose 20 % in a week while vodafone dropped. 10 years of pain and it continues. Cant blame a pandemic for 10 years of mismanagement.

Makes no sense sense apart from Vodafone laying huge amounts of money and increasing borrowings for 5g licences knowing they will not get the return on investment. Madness.

BT up almost 10%
Ftse up yet vodafone although in the blue is struggling.
This is a concern when the sector strength dosent even help

Interesting its being sold off the same as IAG when the impact on RR will be less unless its another van in travel. Ashame its was identified in Belgium from a guest returning from Egypt on the 11th November. So much for transparency. Sitting on the news for almost 2 weeks.

The rampers will not be pleased.
I am holding vodafone both in my pension fund and also cfds. The key is to ignore the posts based on hope as well as posts like mine and make your own mind up Vodafone may come good but 10 years off downward ptessure it would indicate there are problems. The debt is high and grows each year by 3 to 5 billion while the negative equity means vodafone has only 1thing going for it and that's the dividend. The comoany pays out bonuses to staff based on KPIs but not linked to shareholder growth. If interest rates rise where will that leave the dividend. Forget the great spin and decide for yourself where the additional interest charges will come from. Lets face it in a world of almost 0% interest those running the company increase not pay back debt so i wouldn't have them looking after the church finances. I hope tomorrow is great day as once this goes exdiv on the 25th there is no reason to hold these until the next dividend. If it can rally tomorrow I will be out and watch as it tumbles. Its another FTSE 100 lost cause and nothing differentiating it from other providers. If the shares are socheap and the div so good is the SP tumbling . One good day followed by 4 crap days. Good luck tomorrow.

The big issue if the debt is much greater than the value of the company and the market cap reduces as the share price falls. Next opportunity to get out will be taken. Its a no brainer once interest rates rise they will reduce dividends to cover payments or simply borrow more making the value less. They wont stop paying bonuses regardless of the SP dropping. Rampers are simply talking up the future without seeing how the pattern is consistent and nothing is changing. They are quick to criticise negative posts but can offer nothing apart from hope fkr the future

Just another company sitting on the FTSE 100 dragging it down. Incredible how this is being sold off day in and day out. Call me negative but prove me wrong with fact re share price etc not the future. Tell the poor souls who bought this 10 years ago as an investment. The only 3 things vodafone consistently does year on year are 1 increase debt 2 reduce share holder value and 3 they pay out bonuses consistently not tied to the SP.

Vodafone can go nowhere. Its debt is way higher than the value of the company. It is and will be in negative equity always as it keeps borrowing to invest but can never reduce debt. It generates cash flow to pay dividends and reinvest but with interest rates going up the dividend has to suffer to pay interest. Regardless of the reporting its common sense. The money has to come from somewhere. Its clear bonuses are being paid to staff at the expense of the SP. They are paid year in and yeaf out regardless of the bigger picture and this cant be to retain the best people or the comoany would outperfor.m. it lags well behind. If they stopped paying bonuses for all until the SP reflects the talk given when they beef up results. The markets don't seem to be buying into it hence the price sinking back to where it was before the results. just another FTSE 100 waste of time and before rampers comment put some meat behind the bones with results. Dont say its a long term hold. How's that going for those who took the same approach 10 years ago.

Some must need glasses. It has been consistently going down week in and week out year in and year out. Must be looking at a different vodafone thats on the move to the one in the charts. You can't argue with the facts. Hopefully it will change but just because many cant handle opposing views dosent make them wrong. Get the runs on the board first before attacking because all the optimism in the world hasn't changed the fact that the SP is almost constantly in the red. When it rallies say I told you so, when It continues south admit you are wrong and don't use the nonsense comment that itsa long term share. Tell those who bought 10 years ago and are waiting waiting waiting.

Vodafone reported better than expected Q1 revenue of €11.1 billion in July and confirmed that it is on track to meet full year guidance of underlying profit after leases of €15 billion to €15.4 billion and free cash flow of €5.2 billion. Roaming revenue was hit hard by the covid restrictions as travelling collapsed. There is likely to be some improvement here but is likely to still be a long way from 2019 levels. The share price has been steadily declining hitting a 12-month low earlier this month. Germany is a key market for Vodafone. However economic growth has been downgraded for the year there. The economic slowdown in Germany could impact H1 result

The news today was good yet the share is in the red. What will tomorrow bring given Germany may impact the result.

In the red this early where will this finish by end of day.

And into the red it goes. If the FTSE had stocks rated by market cap less debt Vodafone would be vodagone. Wouldnt feature with 10b of negative equity. Well done board