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Thanks for the analysis LB!
Good thing is that with 5 working days until the end of the month, there should be no issue with the Group accounts, AR and AGM announcement coming out without breaching AIM Rules.
So that talk can cease, at least until next Saturday...
Perhaps this image, with the caption "Credible party: at the table since 2021"
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It seems that Mac is firmly of the opinion that despite saying "considering options", the BoD meant "considering OFFERS". Whilst I'd like that to be true, if the BoD meant offers, I'm sure they would have said offers. It's too much of a positive gloss for the BoD to ignore.
"Options" to me sounds more fundamental, as in can we monetise any assets, which ones, how can we do this, is anyone prepared to put an offer on the table, or do we ditch the plan altogether and do something else?
Let's see if the wording changes at all in the annual report.
The point about using raised funds for a different purpose is an interesting one. Firstly my scenario means they haven't used it yet, they're just holding it in case they lose, so as to prevent a further raise (post AGM) or debt finance.
Secondly, if it was raised via a public offering then yes I would agree the change of purpose (however temporary) requires notifying. But it wasnt, it was private, with parties undisclosed, and the deramp du jour of late 2021, was they had flipped or forward sold so wouldn't be holding them now.
In that case, is it still a formal obligation, or does it become more a common courtesy to advise that things are on hold?
Let's face it, this BoD have been pss poor at anything falling into the "courtesy" bucket, unless they can put a positive spin on it. So if that particular gripe is in reality just a "nice to have" from the BoD, you're wasting your time.
All my opinion.
Toffers we've had loads of suggestions and accusations thrown around recently, as you well know, some involving the BoD moving assets out the country (Cyprus for instance) so it becomes untouchable.
In fairness you didn't say the auditors have walked, your scenario was actually the auditors won't sign off and the NOMAD will walk, so soz for that!
My position is what it has been for weeks, lets see what is said first and then ask if/when no satisfactory explanation is forthcoming. What I'm not doing is jumping the gun.
Precisely Scuba, just another tick in the poor comms/ prioritising silence over anything remotely bad.
And as Rickstars says there will be lots pouring over the accounts when they are published to see what has happened to it.
Just put it forward as an alternative and - who knows - slightly more plausible scenario than the BoD has stolen it and the auditors have walked!
Has anybody considered that our legal reps may have recommended that some of the placing $35m be set aside as a provision against any adverse legal finding?
It a theoretical dot to dot, but may help explain why the cash reported as being available to spend has gone down so much, with little by way of tangible Rosgeo progress (despite being fully funded originally).
Just a guess, but if the placees had indeed forward sold or otherwise flipped their shares they wouldn't give a toss, but it would stave off the allegedly existential threat Toffers keeps banging on about.
Hopefully the accounts will clarify when published, but a possibility to consider nonetheless.
...and if it gets mentioned in the 22 report, on the basis that it is likely to conclude in the next 12 months? You'd look a bit silly.
But thats just my view. I think you're being premature, and still don't understand why you're so eager just a matter of days before we know one way or the other.
Doesn't the "going concern" basis only cover the next 12 months? Why would a dispute initially filed on 7 Dec 21 materially affect the going concern opinion for the calendar year 2022? These legal proceedings take forever, as is evident.
The company has survived 2022 anyway so you can't claim the going concern opinion was wrong.
It amazes me how unwilling you are to wait to see if it gets mentioned in the 22 report, which is due any day now and before the end of June in any case, before *apparently* firing off complaints left, right and centre.
It's almost as if you're afraid these things will be mentioned and your concerns will be addressed, so getting in first before giving them a chance.
Let them say what they have to say, and if they don't cover it, or it's unsatisfactory (which is more than likely) then shout your mouth off.
Or we could always wait a little bit for the annual report and accounts, see what that answers and ask if anything (everything) is left?
Just my view.
Toffers, if what you say is true, we would have been fined last year: annual accounts filed 29th June, AGM 28th July. If we were fined, this would need to be notified.
Also, as this discrepancy between AIM Rule 19 and the Companies Act has been in place for the better part of 20 years now, there would be numerous examples of AIM companies who have filed accounts before the end of month 6 following year end, yet were fined because the AGM wasn't until month 7. Can you name any?
Or indeed, the results of any legal challenge or judicial assessment as the first thing I would do is challenge that something I did, which complied with the Rules of listing, but fell foul of another piece of UK legislation, is an obvious inconsistency.
There must be precedents, so again, do you know of any?
You can quote doomsday scenarios all day, and be or not be a duck, I really don't care. But your arguments would carry more weight if you could quote examples.
We could be fined, like [these companies] were for not holding an AGM before month 6...
No it looks like you're saying that LSE's AIM Rules for Companies is incompatible with the Companies Act.
LSE could be fined!
Except they haven't been...
Yeah I was thinking more this:
"Annual accounts
19. An AIM company must publish annual audited accounts which must be sent to its
shareholders without delay and in any event not later than six months after the end of the
financial year to which they relate."
AIM Rules for Companies - London Stock Exchange
Brookkers, I believe AIM rules only require the accounts to be published and an AGM called within 6 months of the accounting date.
By "called", this means announcing the date, time, location, and resolutions to be voted on, not for the AGM to be actually be held by then.
But you're right, with minimum 3 weeks notice it looks like a July AGM.
Much as I like damp squids, reason for posting on this thread is that it's my understanding AIM rules require the ACCOUNTS to be published within 6 months of the reporting date.
It is not for companies to hold an AGM within 6 months, inclusive of 3 weeks notice.
So for me, it could be any weekday up to Friday 30th for the accounts, annual report and AGM date to be communicated.
For me the BoD need to clarify exactly what the situation is with all our strategies. If it's the case, as suspected, that the current sanctions environment prevent us selling, activating or concluding anything, but we still hold them as options for when sanctions are lifted, then so be it.
It will put the lie to the only other previous statement, that the sanctions don't affect us. It also raises questions about what the expanded BoD members have actually done for the last 12 months plus, and why one was even appointed in a war environment, but at least it will give us some clarity. Right now that would be better than bloody nothing.
GLA
The Agenda will specify who if anybody is up for re-election. I doubt Artem and Kotara are up as the Articles of Association have Non-Execs in post for 9 years before they have to resign and seek reappointment ("shortly...").
It will be interesting to see whether they have chosen to charge any fees for work performed this year, given the context. If it has not been possible to advance any of the strategies they were brought in to work on, then I'd hope not.
Yep but as much as we all want it to be so, there is no guarantee that particular operational achievement is the final piece of the jigsaw, which will trigger a binding offer irrespective of war or sanctions.
We can but hope, but as Fr Jack I think pointed out, the DFS was after the timeframe the BoD thought the deal would take.
My own thread? Lol
I think you're right Toffers, and you're not alone in thinking right now the BoD are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and can only really sit and wait this war out.
I've checked back to the Company Articles, and since both Kataro/ the Japan strategy, and Artem/ speed up the sale strategy, were elected at last year's AGM, as Non Execs they are in for 9 years before having to seek re-election.
So if thats the strategic timeframe, what's happening now can be argued is "tactical" - and probably will be when CS has to account for the last 12 months.
Abelo, shut up you goon!
Toffers, when decree 520 was invoked back in August the general consensus was that we wouldn't fall foul of selling to an unfriendly country, as the focus is BRICS, not Western suitors.
However whether we will be caught by the fact that we are listed in the UK and Germany, and therefore the beneficiaries of the sale will be mainly domiciled in "unfriendlies", is more in question.
The BoD have referenced the sanctions as part of the wider context of their operations, but not as something directly impacting their ability to sell (or execute their strategy). Indeed, when they have said anything, they have said the opposite is the case, and gone so far as to expand the BoD whilst the war was ongoing in order to speed it up. Evidence of such speeding up is a different matter.
Make of all that what you will, nobody knows what the end game will look like, or when it will happen. Meanwhile, and this is not advice, but it's not all lost if you can sell. Good luck in what you decide