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The market may approve, but lloy certainly won't.

The days when everyone on this board was screaming for interest rate rises so the SP would rise in line with profits.
4 rises later the SP is stagnant.
Some savings accounts now offer better interest than an annual divi payout from lloy.
What's keeping us all here I ask myself. What's keeping II's here I also ask.
There's always something going on in the news globally that people in the forum's point to for reasons of lloy not performing.
Truth is this company has removed numerous shares from the market. Created a nice buffer on capital. Announced huge profits given laptops away to schools, paid out under performing BOD members who reached the HMG target of 63p (for a couple of months) and still the SP sinks or stagnates at the 46p mark. For years the long term PI's here have been paid a pity full divi payment with the promise of things are going to get better but have not in the last 10 years plus that I have been here. A divi payout of less than 3p now means once again the LT PI's are getting stung once again.

You can cling to the hope of a rise in the SP but if the the last 10years is anything to go by don't hold your breath.
Next excuse is high amount of unpayable debts with high unemployment.

I'm currently disposing of my lot here. The pit pony has 2 broken legs and the jockey is being treated for concussion.

Forget the fog if war l, go with what you know and feel. Consider your options LT PI's imho. Time for you understand what's going on here.

ATB.

... Excuse my predicted text. Tiny phone big fingers.

I don't understand why you mentioned burning coal

Why not mention coal burning if the stacks can be used short term and the short term profits could be used to drive the business forward? Next few months I can guarantee people will be on here moaning about the financials of the company by April if not we'll before then. Never mind whether your environmental concerns out weigh the carbon producing side the business will not go forward and have the ability to drive the environmental side as much as it could of done, if at all. Were all PI's here with a vested interest in the business (I naturally assume). Surely anyone who wants the best for there investment and the green production of energy surely must see that sorry term negatives concerning carbon may have a huge effect on reduction of carbon long term via financials.

Like the fact that some people now on this board that do not have a clue....
Priceless.

As I keep saying make it factual and DYOR????????

With whom are you referring this too? You being the all seeing eye will know I'm sure if the coal powered station can be re-Ignited to burn coal.
Can it?
After all that was the subject point. I have been here for quite some while, and while you may put your points forward with some sort of clarity. None of them are actually factual if the business itself has not started it as so via RNS's unless of course you are privy to some other form of information. Your starting there are no errors in your calculations but the way the reports and the RNS's read seen to leave huge gaps which may be construed in many ways.

It could of happened the way you say. My memory gets worse as I get older. If they hadn't pulled out then could they have sought dispensation from the government? If the "national interest" was the main sticking point. I know it was against "national strategy". but was the "national strategy" part of keeping options of firing up could be required or was it just the environmental side of nation strategy? We were at logger heads with Russia whilst all this was going on and days like we are in now we're obviously predictable at the time.

I'm guessing the option for usk to be restarted on coal is still viable but we've had no Comms (no surprise there) on the current state of the coal stacks etc.

Just chewing the fat bored at work and trying to asses or current situation of our business.

Just bouncing ideas around and learning from you people is all. I know that I contradict sometimes and my logic like everyone's it's mine and mine only. I like to here other people question my logic which makes me also question my logic. This in turn helps me to make more balanced decisions along with research etc.

It could be the training why the SP is stagnating at the 46p mark also. Ì if my theory is correct if we were to see a rise in interest rates then surely the SP would have to follow suit and/or the dividends.

Yes half full or half empty I guess. Something to watch for though.

I guess I'm thinking logically though and we all know markets do not act with the same regard. Mainly wanted scenarios and to change the subject back to Lloyds as apose to who's political opinion is better than someone else's. etc. Prefer boards to not get personal and just nip in now andv again when I have a brain fart. Don't wish to upset those investors here who like to slate each other etc.

But there could be a huge amount of shares placed back into the market even if all PIs didn't sell, which could quite possibly trigger a sell off too by the II's.
I'm thinking if dividends do not rise and interest rates do then this could be detrimental to the a PIs decision making. Surely it's something that needs to be considered by all as a very big possibility and may not have been considered by us mere mortals down on the shop floor.

I seem to recall that SAE decided not to pursue the planning and just withdrew the planning. If indeed it was blocked from a national strategy structure, was there any concessions sought as a business? Surely they would of been entitled to compensation if the private business was being held back due to national interest.

Based on 2.5p dividend I forgot to add.

Based on 20k investment. If the price remains at 46p or there abouts. And you find that savings interest rates rise closer to 4.5% then it would surely have an immediate negative effect (imo) on the SP as more investors would see that they could indeed make better returns by putting thier money into savings rather than relying on dividends. Rough math I know but with some savings offering 3.8% out there are pretty close to the marker.

Could someone enlighten this novice investor as to the effects they forsee if this were to actually happen?

Regards

I raised the same question over 2 months ago when I heard of this plan. I was wondering if this was the reason why SAE just walked away from the conversion project. If it was a reason did they press for any compensatory plan from HMG for holding off on the plan? Was any current or future CFDs assured in any way for the business by holding back on the conversion plan? Up until the point of SAE just walking away from the plan the last I read was the project reduced carbon emissions by %50. There's was actually nothing bad about the project planning other than the call in started it didn't like the planning of storage of pellets and that they were not so keen on plastic waste being imported into Wales. I'm sure someone will enlighten me further on why the project was just cancelled and I can only recall vague details without tracking back through very many RNS's.

Happy when good news is released.
OR
Balanced when good news is released.

Ramp if you want don't ramp if you don't want. These forums have absolutely no effect.

I suspect not much movement, it seems the MMs are trying to get us PIs to release a few.

Translated from predicted text. :)
Everyone is entitled to thier opinions. This is a free Forum. If your looking for good old honest opinions on the internet you will never find it.
If someone comes across as being devious its ok too call it out and make others stop and think about what and who they are listening to for opinion related advice.
Bullying into submission is not an answer and it sometimes clarifys what others suggest.
Can we please get away from the character assassinationsv and remain focused on talking shop. That's what made this BB a breath of fresh air to me.
It seems it is inevitable that sooner or later forums like this turn sour.
I am a glass half full type of chap here and invested. However I'm a glass half empty type of guy on another share that I am invested in.
We all have our reasons.
They may or may not be genuine, but please for all of our sanity keep the discussions about the nuts and bolts.

Regards.

tactics. Everyone entitled to Thier opinions. This is a free Forum. If your looking for good old honest opinions on the internet you will not find it. If someone comes across as being devious is ok too call it out and make others so and think about what and who they are listening to for opinion related advice. Bullying into submission is not an answer it sometimes classified what others suggest. Can we please get away from the character assassinationsv and remain focused on talking shop. That's what made this BB a breath of fresh air to me. It seems it is inevitable that sooner or later forums like this then sour. I am a glass half full type of chap here and invested. However I'm a glass half empty type of guy on another share in invested in. We all have our reasons and they may or may not be genuine, but please for all of our sanity keep thev discussions following about the nights and bolts.

Regards.

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