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I don't know anything concrete about this share that I am particularly wed to, but i do know that I am not extrader. Accordingly, that does tell me something that I do know for sure, that both redbox and the person with an odd infatuation with Elon Musk's Scent are most certainly wrong about asserting that extrader and I are one in the same. And from that, I can only assume/deduce that almost everything else they say could be potentially that far off the mark, i.e, they couldnt be more wrong if they tried. And one more accordingly, accordingly, anyone who pays them any mind whatsoever will unfortunately be led way from the garden path as well because they are both rather thick in the classic sense for want of a more insulting phrase.
Lets hope it brings some additional clarity to things.
I do understand that Mr008, but does not one of the test cases wants to admit they have been lucky/clever enough to use a company to ascertain money that is not debt...what about the cattle farmer for example. Could they not be tapped for a comment on the experience of interacting with SYME.
Having RNS' that state that is also a good way of concealing info...I am not saying I dont understand that but it does have 2 ways of viewing it.
MIck2. Sure, and thank you. I am relatively new at this and have only been investing for a short while. I started day trading with small amounts to try and make some pocket money during the first lockdown. Which i did see some success with actually, and some dismal failures from which i didnt always learn my lesson. However, due to deciding it was little more than gambling and luck without having the necessary in depth knowledge/experience (and not having a large enough starting fund to make big enough profits) i have settled on 3 stocks for the relative long term to see if i can make more money this way. SYME is one of those and should i say the most contentious but the one with the most potential to hit the jackpot. After a while of only reading this forum, i got so frustrated with these blind rampers and especially the condescending tone of one of the main posters to anyone asking questions that i decided to create an account and contribute my perception. I have done my own research and when i post it is informed by that research, although admittedly i am not that involved to want to try and explain a company structure that in itself has been created to not be explainable. I am looking out for my investment, which for me is considerable as a % of what I own, and it is frustrating that all these positive statements and RNS' from SYME dont have anything concrete to back it up. I think that is probably about as clear and honest as i can be.
Anyone watching the Alex Gibney film The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley about Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes understands companies can grow big and get massive news coverage, investments and even get the CEO invited to give TED talks until they are rumbled and the truth outs (years later I should add). Theranos even had people like Henry Kissinger, a former Wells Fargo CEO, a former Bechtel CEO, amongst many other luminaries on its board all singing the praises of Elizabeth Holmes...the problem being she was 'faking it before making it', a term commonly thrown around in Silicon Valley. Well, SYME is kind of a Silicon Valley-ish firm if we consider Fintech an emerging disruptive computer based market, so why wouldn’t the same rules apply, or at the very least be considered, and especially by investors in the early stages. As such, the onus is on the company to provide evidence, cross checkable, not hidden behind walls or agreements, that these things are tangible…and I don’t mean show everything but show enough to verify all the claims being made. All we have now is the words of the CEO and nothing tangible to prove whether anything is real. Are they faking it until making it, or is this all 100% as AZ says…either way, it is in AZ’s hands to prove it and provide real evidence. Especially now it appears we have a split between the big investigative posters on this forum and one who has sold some of their shares.
How hard can it be...show some real evidence and lets all move forward.
Part 1: Surely this can all be cleared up relatively quickly. We have had numerous RNS' where AZ has continually expanded SYMEs scope, the speed of its implementation and the size of its profits. In these RNS' everything seems to be covered by NDA's, so we have no voice outside AZ but directly interacting with SYME commenting on anything. From a random RNS by Synairgen for example, they announced a partnership with Clinigen, which was rather easily cross checked by the accompanying RNS from Clinigen. No need to doubt that, its rather good evidence they are working together and that one believes in the other, with both CEO putting out positive messages. However, here, with SYME, it’s been months of deals and the like, with everyone other than AZ hiding behind NDA's. Searching iMass investments for example, takes you to a rather weak looking website with no traceable evidence it can be trusted (5 different sub-headings to click on, each giving very little cross checkable information to prove it can be trusted...in fact, such similar looking websites are a red flag in these fake Russian website cases we here about interfering in elections these days if anyone has been following that closely for the last 4 years). Maybe iMass is super and as written on the tin but it doesn’t foster confidence. Similarly, and as found by Holly, Extrader and others including myself, the websites of these other shareholders are equally limited and lacking in a strong corporate image, let alone content that makes them appear like real companies sizable enough to be involved in the potential of SYME.
We have Malta and Luxembourg based shell companies involved, which is good I am sure for tax purposes, but also good for hiding things. I am not saying SYME does hide things but they are certainly not making things as clear as they could, and if they choose not to, they are in the territory of a real cast of shady dealings, no less so than Malta if anyone has been following recently.
However, many successful business' also have such convoluted structures, look at banks for example, so it is not evidence of wrong doing. But it doesn’t foster confidence when weighted against all we have being words from the CEO. Why are none of SYME's customers saying they have secured a source of funding without incurring debt? Would that not be a strong plus and something to potentially speak out about? Where are those pilot companies who completed a cycle, why has SYME not secured a comment or two from them, or even a video interview for its website...you can’t get any better proof that a real world participant with a positive story to tell. Maybe AZ should be asked directly about these real world test cases and to provide evidence.
With such a convoluted ownership structure, which has been clear with the quickest bit of research from the start, these confusing share games, lack of names, lack of anyone other than AZ commenting on the actual business and numerous other flags, its not hard to see why the share price is continually reducing to a more sane price (after its initial jump), reflective of nothing more than not seeing any actual figures, or real evidence the model works long term, or if it will generate enough profit. As soon as the figures arrive, thats when we will know, not to mention some actual names not bound by non-disclosure agreements, whether it will be a winner or loser.
My thoughts are the people providing the cash will be making all the money, whilst syme will be left with a few squid for connecting the two sides. But i assume AZ will be involved in that side of things as well, even if we are not. I would also guess some people are making quite a bit of money on these convoluted share sales. I'm still split whether its a scam or a real winner, or just an idea that sounds good but is a lemon in reality. However, i've sold nothing and still clinging on. If the bigger blind salesmen on this forum have started selling, then it just shows how irresponsible they have been by shooting down anyone showing a little concern in the past, as many who listen to them could have also taken the selling route whilst the share price was 50p, 60p or even 70p.
Lets hope it has some legs...and he did a really good job not to bang his head on the shelf in the broom closet.
It was obvious extrader that's what you were saying. Musk's Scent was just going on their weird perceived negative comment turn around journey that is getting rather tedious. Anything can happen until its in the bag...how in the bag is presented is another matter but when it is, i am sure the share price will stop its downward trend.
Seems like a crazy day elsewhere but crazy enough here i need to add the proviso that I am not extrader!
A little vague as usual and i doubt its going to arrest the slow stock price fall in the short term. But despite not being the RNS that will see the share price jump from half a penny to £37.20, if its legit, it will be the cause of RNS' in the future that certainly will cause significant jumps if the profits starting rolling in from the process started in this RNS. Only earnings in the books are going to prove the viability of SYME so it seems. All these RNS's that seem to be amazing but only seem to tank the share price, if they start paying off, i think will lead to major share price jumps when each of these ideas in these RNS's reach fruition by proving they're money spinners. Could be a while away though, something I'm happy to wait and see how it unfolds.
The 24th was Saturday.
Its not the only price monitoring extension today, one company even has a 2nd one. Maybe its a system error of some kind if its unusual.
Not from me dude, I have actually rather enjoyed your posts all week...and your considerable change of tone!
Point proven! It just could't last...that sniff of something deemed negativity and the 5G-Covid gang starts to emerge. Heres to a long weekend for them! And heres to you Spotify!
Extrader: With such a reasoned and seemingly honest post, I am sure it will trigger off the kind of nastiness that has departed the board this week. Lets hope not. That I am sure the deramping junk will flow, hats off to you for levelling what you have already said before. Not sure my commenting will help considering the deramping conspiracy theorists here who make the 5G Covid conspiracy seems sane will launch an attack on your pretty straightfoward post, but I also share the share concerns, as stated many a moon back. The LinkedIn of this Tony dude doesnt look as stellar as it should, its pretty obvious to the eye, and it once again treads that fine line between is it or isnt it legit. Like you (but not you I should add) , I am also swinging more towards the legit side of things now. The proof will indeed be in the pudding, and the pudding will start with names being named, someone outside the AZ sphere of influence coming forward and the release of some real numbers on the board. As someone very invested, on little more of a flight of fancy originally I should add, i am still unchanged on this being a long hold, and the daily monitoring of the price being little more than a mental health test. Hope the interest keeps up extrader and always interested in hearing what you are thinking and finding!
Does anyone know the kind of profit the captive bank will be making because banks are usually where the real money is made. And I assume that the captive bank will be totally separate from SYME's bottom line?
I cant keep quiet about that one Spotify, John_james comment was the most hilarious comment i've read here. Lighten up!
Happy-Cynic, I am also invested but looking to make sure all is well at home. It doesnt mean i accept everything spoonfed to me by the company but i am definitely over half way there to being convinced the model looks good. Lets not forget Enron et al.
Concerning apunter2, i dont like bullies and will pipe up when i see one. And i dont like people who enable them either by looking the other way at abhorrent offensive remarks...many of which you have been bitten by him before he reread what was actually written and then apologised. I take your point and knew it would enrage the symeraty but thats just the way it seems to be here. I saw a few posts in which he called people ***** or equivalent who werent even having a dig over a 3 or so day period, then i just piped up. And i have been keeping quiet waiting for one of you to say something instead of egging him on and looking the other way.
Anyway, he'll be back soon enough and he can fight his own battles. If you dont get why i posted theres little more i can say.
I know the feeling Happy-Cynic. There are a group of them, and any negative, they pounce and start trying to make this grand narrative that we are all 2 people or 1 person. The effect is to try and dismiss what you say. I dont really like this ramping term, but whether by design or accident, they have taken on the role. I hope it is by design because at least they will be getting paid for it for their time. If not, then as Dirty Harry once said about opinions, forums seem to be the same, except it seems to come in multiples.
The person with Elon Musk's scent, as perverse as that name is, will give you no evidence other than accusation after accusation, only for their perceived loss of control over the conflicting (to him/her) nature of your posts. Childish really but thats gamblers for you!
First, i didnt swear, so it wasnt foul mouthed. However, AP, who's tone i clearly dislike when people ask questions, was very foul mouthed. Odd how thats ok. And its not the first thread ive challenged him on thats been deleted either is it. Funny how you and so many others coming to his defence (a person who doesnt actually need it) are seeming trying to frame me, extrader, Holly and anyone else who says anything slightly non-positive as connected to the hip, or even the same person. I can assure you this is such an overreach it csts your judegment into question. And, there are many more of 'you' than there are 'us' (as you seem to be framing it), but youre on the side of righteousness right (or something like that).
And clearly i have had a problem with AP due to his childish flagwaving when he read something that questioned his SYME lovefest. He was directly rude, offensive and unafraid of showing his nasty character to people who were trying to cause him no harm.
No need to look at my history, i've made no secret of my dislike for his foot stamping. And clearly, i like reading extrader's posts, as I do Holly's and many others. They are asking real questions, and if it is a scam/problem and many of us need to get out before we lose all our cash, the tip off has more chance of coming from them than it does you. However, your flagwaving, and many more of your ilk who seem more 'connected' than those 'derampers' you are trying to frame as some kind of cabal of SYME satanists, play a role in keeping us, well me, plugged in to the long game. In my eyes, this makes things complete, as a forum. And then theres the paid ****ehounds... who stand out like sore thumbs.
Anyway, twist things the way you want to, it pains me not.