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so the situation of deaths is going to get very complex ...

because you are now restricting patients from treatment of other decease that could be a killer ... and certainly will be if they get Covid ... the balancing act ...

once the tracking of patients by testing and identifying contacts was overwhelmed ... ie "community transmission" took over, the value of that information became useless ... because of that ,the value of the antibody test to see if you "have had it" is now more important. as yet no test is reliable

ie you ask a question then answer it ..........yourself

" Is it fair to surmise that the problems in the USA are a result of having, in effect, a 'herd' target ? Accepting the USA didn't actually set that out as a target,

relevance ?

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

the virus is not winning by the way .......

so the end results are the same ........... herd immunity .. slowly to allow the NHS to keep up with ventilators . or herd immunity by default .. with probably another 5% higher death rate as the NHS is overwhelmed

1 to 1.1 million ................... and rising

Tf ... no plan exists ... suppression is not elimination ..

ATB ...

Tf on the German model ....

they have the same problem as we do ............ no treatment exists other than life support

UK has kept up with Germany so far ... the NHS has geared up for the pandemic and has not been overwhelmed as yet

testing is not a cure

ATB

Life Under the management of TF .................... The Plan

https://www.ft.com/content/760142e6-740e-11ea-95fe-fcd274e920ca

... you have still to explain how you will stop the virus .........

1 in 21 weeks to over 1.1 million infections that we know about ... its even now in the Falklands ....

it does not matter how you dress it up over time the virus will win without a vaccine ...

it is what happens naturally !!

the Virus follows this pattern until natural herd immunity takes hold ......... at which point it mutates or dies out ..

lets hope you can maintain isolation until that happens .. ATB meanwhile every week that goes by you destroy the economy

you still have to get out of this ? what is your plan

sorry missed the text ...

good find

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/ebiom/PIIS2352-3964(20)30118-3.pdf

I think we are all fed up with listening to "David Lammy"

have a good day

you change policy like a wind mill .....moving to get the most out of the breeze ... you even copied that post on multiple Boards ....... inc Lloy .,.. seems you are well and truly attracted to the Limelight

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Brexit / inanaco11 Mar 2020 00:51
I find it hard to admit it but not having to pay into the EU Budget (one of the Brexit prizes) after leaving the EU now appears to be a better trade off than staying part of the EU.

The Italian Banking System is going into meltdown and will inevitably end up effecting the entire EU banking system. The next few months could end up being 'difficult'. And they will want to lose the support of the City of London? Unlikely now.

A pandemic and its economic consequences was a not a factor I considered when thinking about Brexit.

ECB announces €750 billion Pandemic Emergency Purchase Programme (PEPP)
18 March 2020

The Governing Council decided the following:

(1) To launch a new temporary asset purchase programme of private and public sector securities to counter the serious risks to the monetary policy transmission mechanism and the outlook for the euro area posed by the outbreak and escalating diffusion of the coronavirus, COVID-19.

This new Pandemic Emergency Purchase Programme (PEPP) will have an overall envelope of €750 billion. Purchases will be conducted until the end of 2020 and will include all the asset categories eligible under the existing asset purchase programme (APP).

For the purchases of public sector securities, the benchmark allocation across jurisdictions will continue to be the capital key of the national central banks. At the same time, purchases under the new PEPP will be conducted in a flexible manner. This allows for fluctuations in the distribution of purchase flows over time, across asset classes and among jurisdictions.

Under QE the ECB's balance sheet has ballooned to about 4.65 trillion euros. That's more than doubled since the start of 2015 and is second only to the Bank of Japan, which has pumped money into its economy for years to fight deflation.12 Dec 2018

Is the ECB still doing QE?
The ECB cut the interest rate on bank reserves, money banks deposit with it, for the first time since 2016, by a tenth of a percentage point to -0.5%. It will restart its quantitative-easing (QE) scheme, which it drew to a close last year. ... The ECB had previously pledged not to raise interest rates until mid-2020.12 Sep 2019

crisis ... what crisis ...4.65 trillion euros

its already law that we leave ...

to be honest .. Its now the best time to leave ... the EU is about to explode or even implode ..last thing we need is to be caught up with bailouts of which even Germany would struggle to support.

you might feel the EU has the power ......... nope that has shifted back to the states due to the fact they are not prepared to share the debt generated.

No way can Italy maintain fiscal rules ...or France for that matter

so what Budget is going to fund the Gravy Train ? ......... Bisto's balance sheet ?

Nom

U need to calm down ...

""" It means that the support staff not on the wards will be exposed to the virus as air (and the associated droplets) will circulate throughout the facility."""

its simple bermuda, he reads it in the "manual" to create a sterile environment using negative Air Pressure, so that the building only draws in air through filters and expels air only through filters....

except its a bit over the top ........... in this instance .. and would be impossible to achieve in a building 1km long ...

however as the entire Nightingale building is specific to one Virus and the staff are isolated against it ... not sure what the point he is trying to make ... who are you trying to protect .. ?

have you evidence of what Boris said ?

or is this Fake news