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I said scrapping net zero not what they have already built and all that entails that would be madness after all the money spent on it so far. They still have at least 150 billion to spend on infrastructure if they continue with it.

Abandoning replacing gas boilers subsidies on EVs and cancelling the ban on ICE cars.

How is GB Energy doing and the £12 billion of our money committed to it?

Asi,

scrapping net zero will save him a few quid:)

The problem with that is you would have to convert NI to tax as it would have no pensions to fund if everyone was responsible for their own and people on benefits wouldn't "retire" as they would just continue to claim and there would be no need for a mandatory retirement age. You work until you can afford not to or wish to "retire". Which may well throw more people into poverty or onto benefits. Also by that premise I would not need to save for a pension just throw onto benefits when I could no longer work.

If they keep pushing the retirement age up they won't even have a few years left lol

Some of the policies Labour bring in will just get overturned when the next lot get voted in it usually the way of the world. Reform have already said they will overturn the prospective home tax so homeowners just have to wait and vote Reform in thereby generating very little income for the current government.

Asi,

That is actually a fair comment although this government seems to be going beyond what normally occurs in their desperation. You can only tax people so much and then it becomes inefficient it is also the easy thing to do and at some point they will have to address the hard yards of spending.

Don't underestimate the grey economy asi.

If they continue to hit people who have worked hard all their lives saved to buy their own home and put money to one side to have a comfortable retirement then what is the point might as well not bother spend every penny and join the feckless with your mouth ready for the teat of the government. Or leave the country and go somewhere more beneficial for you. The government is encouraging a country of malingerers

Why own a house when you may have to sell it to pay for care in later life may as well rent blow everything you have left and let the government pay for your care if and when you need it. I have seen the pip criteria it isn't that hard to flannel your way on to it many make a career of it. It really needs tightening up but the hard left won't let them. Why bother with a pension go on long term sick and get your NI credits free.

They really are looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope they need to drastically reduce outgoings if they don't it will get worse. Keep knocking the pension age back more will go on long term sick it will end up costing more money. Already 68 which I believe is already past the tipping point. How many construction workers are going to make it to that age before being signed off sick? They must think everyone is an mp, judge, civil servant or attends the house of lords.

What about the effect on the climate and local miners extracting the raw materials for said batteries both ethically and climate wise and will copper price escalate if demand significantly outstrips supply increasing costs? Lots of problems still to overcome. Most of it for no reason we didn't need to do it on this scale my opinion of course others opinions just as valid.

I am not dismissing them as a net burden just saying we are miles away and a lot of money away from that reality. Assuming also everyone plugs their EV in every night:)

I prefer your version asi:)

I don't subscribe to climate change either.

I remember the weather reporter stood next to a glacier with her daughter saying global warming was melting the glacier.

What she didn't tell you was there were 10 volcano's under the glacier and 6 were currently active causing the glacier to melt. Apparently it is a regular phenomenon but let's not let truth get in the way of climate change.

Same with the flood in Libya and wild fires in Hawaii perfectly sound reasons why they occurred nothing to do with climate change which is an extremely complex subject how they can predict temperatures changes world wide of 0.5C is beyond me they couldn't accurately predict that in my back garden never mind the world.

The problem with it they are throwing money at it based on biased research some of which has already been debunked and where there is a lot of money breeds corruption and a need to keep up the narrative to keep the gravy train running. So far think they have got every prediction wrong going back to the 70s and before. By now where I live was supposed to be under water 20 years ago and yet is isn't.

I knew you were going to say that the problem is it won't keep up the cost is huge and the storage capacity required is huge at massive cost. We currently have 70 mins storage. How much more do you think we might need? Also how good is it that the grid drains your car battery over night and it won't start to get you to work next morning and therefore shortening your cars battery life if being constantly drained and topped up which is already too short as it is.

Massive issue with batteries. Car right offs if battery is damaged higher insurance implications. How do you replace fuel tax to the treasury problems are endless at the moment we are at least 30 years away if not more at huge cost Plus people will hang on to their old ICE cars longer and gas boilers longer as the public is a long way from being convinced just yet. They can hardly give subsidised electric cars away at the moment in the quantities they need to.

It is an emotive subject at the moment asi:)

I don't subscribe to the theory all migrants whether illegal or legal is bad just believe that the sheer scale of it over the last few years has been far too much and has and is causing the country significant problems and at some point the government will have to face up to unpalatable truths and deal with it more robustly than they are doing at present instead of trying to brush it under the carpet or tinkering around the edges of it. If they don't it will get worse.

The answers aren't and the problems aren't always identified by AI depends who is programming it and the source information it will tell you itself it shouldn't be relied on for accuracy but it has its uses.

The elephant in the room for EVs is if everyone is eventually forced into owning one then the amount of electric required to run them will be astronomical and we are nowhere near being able to provide it despite all the other well documented issues around EVs.

I have seen it before but not sure the provenance.

You only used it as part of a discussion point. I understood no issue for me.

By the way I never said you were r a c i s t or inferred that.

Now I have had to trawl back your post regarding blacks which I never mentioned by the way. I just alluded to just using conviction rates doesn't always show the real picture. As it says it depends on the metric you use and there are always mitigating factors just have to decide how relevant they are. Bearing in mind in many instances ethnicity isn't recorded

"By sheer conviction counts, White people top the list; but on a per-capita basis—and at early justice stages—Black and other minority groups show higher contact rates with the system. It all depends on the metric you use.

Policing also plays a role, like the stop-and-search practices by the Metropolitan Police. Their data shows that more Black British individuals are found with concealed weapons compared to White British individuals, but they conduct more stops and searches on Black British people, which skews the figures. In Manchester, the situation is different because they have strict controls in place that ensure no single ethnic group is disproportionately targeted and more white British have been found to carry concealed weapons".

Who is being dishonest it was your quote about blacks? I just gave you an example of how your original statistic could be disingenuous.

We will have to wait see as the new tax is still being discussed so we are arguing over something that hasn't been officially communicated yet.

I am not going back either. I just gave you an example you misunderstood it. You made a mistake it happens.

If you stay in the house long enough then the tapering effect could mean you don't pay any tax is that right?

If so then it may stop houses moving through the system as people upgrade or downgrade to avoid the tax and it generates less money unless you die and then pay inheritance tax on it if you haven't gifted it or put it in a trust first to avoid so may actually raise less.