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Would if I could, but I have lost all my money on the stock market :(

Fog: it seems a very sound methodology. To protect/foster your own industry you want to cut back imports most on the countries that are giving you the biggest deficit.

37p per share is a decent enough 7.6% return in the current circumstances. I am glad I bought some recently when it was down. The question to decide in the next few weeks is whether to sell by qualifying date and rebuy when ex-div to save on the 20% tax cut. 7.6% is the dividend having accepted that 20% hit. I have done better before with the sell and rebuy routine.

Results look OK too.

Obviously woodsmith is not worth the investment, otherwise it would not have been wound down.

It might pay if it could be safely opened to the N Yorkshire public to hack your own wheelbarrowful for a fiver? Sort of like a fruit farm "pick your own?"

Welcome. I don't think you can go wrong buying at this price, down in the dumps because of China uncertainty of iron demand, but that is bound to pick up, and RIO has more strings to its bow. I'm feeling a 20% bounce up will happen, and I am happy to wait.

With the announcement showing a P/E of about 4, this is still a decent share to hold. I'm happy.

I have just graphed my share prices for month end, and HSBA is frightening. Not only is it increasing steeply, but it is regularly getting steeper in spite of using a logarithmic scale! (Unfortunately my other shares are nothing like this.)

The trouble with taking profit is deciding where to put the proceeds.

@ LTI I think I see what ICL means and I agree with it, that capital/equity is an illusion. It is the value the market gives HSBC, agreed, but that is potentially ephemeral and arbitrary, the same as bitcoin or Tesla value. Gold is certainly a more stable illusion, but ultimately it's all a bit like the emperor's clothes.

"The share buy backs are reducing share count which enhances EPS and dividend per share on an ongoing basis as opposed to a one off cash payment and aren’t subject to income tax if you hold them outside pension and ISA as I do (pension and ISA fully utilised) so I prefer them."

Of course they are not subject to income tax because you receive no income, or indeed, no benefit. Buybacks are good for the directors, but not for me : give me a dividend instead. I do not get paid on EPS and increasing historic dividend per share does not mean dividends will increase now or in the future.

If this does move to a USA listing will we get our shares automatically changing nationality, or will it be a forced sale?

Certainly doesn't tempt me back in. I sold all mine at the beginning of June when the BHP offer was too generous. I don't think BHP are now in a state to repeat that, and probably wouldn't even if they were.

This keeps on falling then bouncing back. Is the new president's common sense and realism going to change world-wide attitudes to coal investments?

Well, I have bought some. That sent the shorters panicking.

> Chartists would disagree. Draw a straight line across the screen from the 2015 low to the 2020 low

Don't chartists make any correction for inflation, or for the movement of sterling against the dollar? Your low of £1.70 should be £1.90.

You might dive in, but the share price is diving faster. Is there a bottom?

"It should also be noted that shares are 'created' for issue on an ongoing basis for staff & director bonus packages, incentive schemes, and for employee share purchase schemes"

This seems extremely underhand, creating money out of nothing. I assumed they would have purchased those on the open market.

I don't see any high, just a steady rise and return, which is obviously depends on China to a degree, but that country has been through troubles, so may be on the way up again in spite of Trump. I wouldn't sell Rio or HSBC at this point if you have a choice.

It is probably the total of short positions (%) at that time, and the graph is not updated since 6th Sep.

@ CloudyMountain

Excellent, thank you. On this site, TGA, "short positions" icon shows the detail of the open positions, and beneath that is the historical graph, still at 1.39 (there is no unit of measure). I have just noticed that the graph cuts off / ends at 6th September, so it is probably meaningless.