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50% of this and other building co.s and building supply co.s are owed to the tax payer at 4% interest from 2008.
Any bonuses paid to 'directors' are pure fraud
The people would have preferred to spend the bailout on green energy and making their childrens future more secure and with greater economic options
But not surprisingly the political system disagreed. TB with a London property portfolio, DC carpets, GO paints, Crown estate celebrate profitability seeming not to understand where money came from (a let them eat cake moment?)
I still hold some hope that 'lack of ' intelligence will intervene
And why nothing from media or religions. Could we expect media to understand- their assets bailed out too and virtually told the script to write. Religions basically reflecting the desires of greatest contributors? so polygamy sometimes or nearer to home condoning establishments right to not put hands in pocket for its people or even worse to run of with a generation of tax payers money that they'd have spent on something else if it was up to them.
IMO it is a new low. If eg there was a dam to be built urgently or bridge some peolpe would want to do their best and build it BUT establishment would have a different idea and run off with the money. There must be quite a few very powerful people (and small minded) behind this otherwise how could some directors when interviewed show so little empathy or remorse and be confident to brass neck it out
No wonder i had slob from lack of intelligence blowing smoke in my face in 2003 when predicted the whole thing.
Well vote with your feet and don't be aggressive like the fools. We are now a few steps closer to throwing GB (i wish it was) citizenship in the bin. Good luck

it's not just here
a lot of other building co's and building supply co's management took cynical advantage of the huge ,and crippling for green energy and the next generation of tax payers, bailout or should I say heist. Should historians refer to it as 'the great masonic heist of 2008-9' or the biggest robbery in history.
I think it is essential that these rescued companies (90% from bottom) return the bailout cash to HMRC for distribution back to the taxpayers who can choose what they want to invest in themselves ie green energy, healthcare, education etc
And HMRC demand the FULL return of the stolen -by any reasonable assessment- bonuses incorrectly paid to any directors
Politicians of both big parties primarily represent the housing sector and the big landlords
Masonic club has no rules except the ones it writes for itself. Hence big landlords are taught to believe in a small minded way that the bailout was right and proper and if there was no small print violation then they can keep quiet and nobody can 'reasonably' (without some fool saying they are mad) complain!
The crown estate think it is right and proper to repair palaces and not moth ball them until better times or convert to top schools
Religion stays quiet as does media except to promote gambling to children
The whole situation is not anywhere near good enough. It treats the tax payer like a fool and akin to a lesser land owner whose fences are broken during hunting or the tax payer as a field whose produce has to be handed over.
The royalist masons who are possibly or probably behind it all can not be trusted with clean energy. It has already been established that tax payer built utilities are often handed over to royalist friends to obtain dividends from.
This system cannot adapt to the present demands of the tax payer and refuses to do so and usurps nationalism or religion at any opportunity to hide the reality that establishment or top landlords refuse to invest or invent with their own time , energy and especially MONEY,
but don't mind running off with tax payer money in ordinary course of events
But have thoroughly excelled themselves by the amount that has disappeared following the 'great masonic heist'
Anyway ' Happy Christmas' and lets hope politicians are capable of some NY resolutions worthy of the GB people

CEO booted out, now give back the tax payers money
We pay 100's thousands tax and to watch this greed and theft (and fools defending it- apologise or handcuffs for you!)
If not returned to HMRC then passport/nationality goes in bin
www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46543704

2003 i justified energy expenditure from lots of angles and had aggressive slob form lack of intelligence saying 'oh yeah , who's going to publish it' while blowing cigar smoke in my face.
After that we've had years of TB and GB selling feel good cool Britannia with property rises then austerity (politics again) after all goes bang and next generations wealth and opportunities are wiped out by huge taxes to rescue landlords- not clean energy again.
Polticians and elite no pay cuts, religions silent (scared or scared might miss a big gig!), landlords still no energy investment after most generous bailout in history, media nothing, royalist masons nothing (except aggression but last caller can't be representative?!?!).
So who pays?? for green energy. Crushed tax payers? Tax avoiders??
I think a fair challenge would be for establishment sections to each build a nuclear power station. The learning curve and practical knowledge gained would be invaluable to us all in lots of ways {even for some reasonable role models in these times}. After all the travails they could then be told they had to give it away and have worked for nothing (another great lesson)
So Big landlords- 1 NPP
Crown estate - 1 NPP
Masons/bankers -1 NPP (please don't employ our friend!?!?)
Intelligence - 1NPP
Saudi princes - 1 NPP
Religions - 1 NPP
Tax avoiders - 1NPP
etc
No offence but this country has a built in weakness in that authority can't give itself a tough time or put hands in pocket which leads to 'dulce et decorum est' ultimately and crazy officers thinking only option is put sam brown on sons and send off to front. While elite plan escape?? (because they are so incredibly clever and useful or 'own' the country and democracy was always a sham? or have aggressive loony masons on side!?!?)
This is 21C ?? or medieval times are preferable? Good luck digging the ridge and furrow by hand. You won't have access to energy probably and the politicians/judiciary will just be patsies of those who will? Unless they really show whose side they are on with money and effort and become real people
Finances necessary will get boost by acceptance from building co.s and building supply co.s, big landlords, crown estate etc that 50% of their assets are owed to the tax payer following the undemocratic unsanctioned politically organised 90% bailout of their assets
Further HMRC is allowed free reign to recover this money by whatever means necessary
Absolutely it's passport in bin time

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46543704
the anarchy and treachery has already been committed. Can't be wrong to point that out?
2003 i justified energy expenditure from lots of angles and had aggressive slob form lack of intelligence saying 'oh yeah , who's going to publish it' while blowing cigar smoke in my face.
After that we've had years of TB and GB selling feel good cool Britannia with property rises then austerity after all goes bang and next generations wealth wiped out to rescue landlords- not clean energy again.
Polticians and elite no pay cuts, religions silent (scared or scared might miss a big gig!), landlords still no energy investment after most generous bailout in history, media nothing, royalist masons nothing.
So who pays?? for green energy. You people who sit on your hands? Tax avoiders??
I think a fair challenge would be for establishment sections to each build a nuclear power station. The learning curve and practical knowledge would be invaluable to us all. After all the travails they could then be told they had to give it away and have worked for nothing (another great lesson)
So Big landlords- 1 NPP
Crown estate - 1 NPP
Masons/bankers -1 NPP
Intelligence - 1NPP
Saudi princes - 1 NPP
Religions - 1 NPP
Tax avoiders - 1NPP
etc
No offence but this country has a built in weakness in that authority can't give itself a tough time or put hands in pocket which leads to 'dulce et decorum est' ultimately and crazy officers thinking only option is put sam brown on sons and send off to front. While elite plan escape?? (because they are so incredibly clever and useful or 'own' the country and democracy was always a sham?)
This is 21C ?? or you prefer medieval times? Good luck digging the ridge and furrow by hand. You won't have access to energy probably and the politicians/judiciary will just be patsies of those who will? Unless they really show whose side they are on with money and effort and become real people

its like decimated (as per popular usage) but fifteen times. Fifteenated from low base so u can see old URA holders have been smashed to smithereens to extend some will never come back and had their assets fall into the hands of tax avoiders or Woops have to go
Very upset at govs running off with tax money for their landlord friends, not trying tackle climate change, religions being passive at transfer of power and wealth to people who do less and take more etc

transformational in what way..
oh well you still got time for a few more negative followed by positive posts
are you the PR agent?
don't forget this share and peoples lives have been fifteenated and it was low when that happened
so will be interested to hear the spin on transformational later?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-46496140/climate-change-why-are-governments-taking-so-long-to-take-action
pre 2008- no substantial green energy investment
2008/9 - bailout 100% of big landlords, crown estate, no pay cuts by elite
post 2008/9 - no substantial green energy investment by gov or especially the shameless who have been totally (not partially) bailed out
3 strikes and you're - OUT rageous stinker!
What i don't understand is why TB needs a property portfolio. If anyone should be happy to live in rental sector it's labour . Therefore all parties of gov. represent the big landlords preferentially. Not science, engineering or finding the best leaders from whatever strata they come from. Also massive evidence that lobbies prepared to shrink the diverse economy (and all the diverse skills we need) and consolidate power into fewer and more tax avoiding (and tax payer abusing) hands (and also less capable which seems totally non-sensical unless you are mad royalist mason).
So i think for christmas we could have a naming and shaming of big landlords, administrators of crown estate, MP's wedded to interests of big landlords, building co. (and building supply) directors who have also taken advantage of situation so deviously and thoughtlessly. Or new year dishonours!

can only hope it's because UKOG are going to drill HH2 sooner and prepayment is the wisest option for Dor to cover the 6.5% costs?
I agree it's tough to say the least
Brockham should have got going by now too

wonderful rxdav
anyone complaining about the clear outrageous theft of tax payer funds that should have gone on clean energy long ago is mad
and as for you being a tad miffed- who cares? You bowled a fiendish bouncer (certainly a no ball as well) and then you go crying you got one back! (fair delivery in my case)
Bully with no idea of rules of debating

I can't say what happens in between (mud slinging)
But i think this will end with many former directors being interviewed in floods of tears as the shame of what they have done finally dawns on them
Stolen from tax payers, stolen from old ladies (shareholders (especially those who went without before bail out) and tax payers), stolen from children's future, stolen and destroyed their companies reputation, tried to bully right minded people to silence over the fraud, tried to influence lobbies to protect or hide what they've done, failed to realise that very painful austerity paid for the funds they have stolen. When they are interviewed sure psychologists may be present but even as the clear evidence of the underlying character flaw is uncovered they will be loathe or scared to intervene. You can ask why on your next visit!!
(sorry couldn't resist it)

rxdav you are displaying ignorant behaviour
you might be cowardly or institutionalised enough to acquiesce to this huge fraud against tax payers that has been going on definitely since 2003 and probably longer
These bonuses are the turning point
The truth is very much needed and must be shown to exist
WE WANT CLEAN ENERGY GENERATION YESTERDAY
I don't want to repair palaces. I don't want to rescue big landlords so they can pocket my tax money. I don't want cowardly masons (you one?) talking down to people pretending to be superior or more British or more religious. I don't want the UK of Saudi Arabia. As long as these people are stealing tax payer money to bail out their own assets and own life styles they are guilty of fraud.
Your paraphrasing attempt was poor (sorry)
Read my previous post to see how SP would go up and don't be such a mean spirited coward

These directors (all builders/builder supplies) will return the bonuses and our electricity generation will be modernised with funds returned from the bailed out landlords or assets confiscated up to the 50% they reasonably already owe. If they try and argue or cheat or use politics to delay or try and cause trouble they will lose the other 50%. This goes for all the big landlords, crown estate, military, religions etc.
No more arrogant cheating. Build and pay for what's needed and prove you are actually British and care about the future diverse economy which will keep our children prosperous and safe.
When 'prosperous and safe' are on the line one can't be a coward....

rxdav and toonman. Couldn't have been clearer and laid out the problem here much better and why it is the straw that broke the camels back. I think you can read but is the problem comprehension? (oxbridge?)

We want to build enough green clean energy to power the country and be example to the world

Politicians, masons, crown estate, big landlords want to run off with as much tax payer money as possible
These two objectives are therefore at odds--agree?
Building co. executives (and building supply) have really taken the mick with these bonus (fraud against society and tax payers IMO) after 90% bailout of their way of life by crippling austerity (family shattering in some cases)
I don't mind austerity if good things are built
I wanted to start building/investing energy in 2003 (see previous post)
Absolutely the political system needs a really good reform because they cannot just exist to sit on top of the tax payer and neglect the future economy our children need
So these executives have to give the cheating bonuses back
PSN in this instance, could act to distribute the same amount as the bonuses cost back to ordinary shareholders.
Both measures above would see the share price increase. That's what you want??
And big landlords have to prove they are actually British because theur actions since 2003 (see previous post for reference) are very much against this.
Thanks to lse because i think PSN tried to block me before

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46398057
shame on royalist masons
shame on religions
shame on crown estate
2003 i had aggressive slob from lack of intelligence and lunatic climate change denying psychologist on my case when justifying energy expenditure from many angles
We should have begun clean energy work and investment then--FACT
Elite refuse to invest or invent personally
Then 2008 they refuse pay cuts but enforce austerity
Big property and site owners are COMPLETELY bailed out (not partially to leave clean energy investment funds)
To sum up to here: That's 2 shame on the elites- no investing prior to 2008 and then placing austerity on population to rescue their assets AGAIN ahead of clean energy investment
These facts never get to the newspapers. Are they masons or do i need to ask!
3rd shame i forgot not investing after being bailed out
Obviously there are some powerful lobbies behind the misuse and misappropriation of tax payer funds. But i think it's time to directly accuse these lobbies of illegal activity. What? there's no small print saying they can't organise political system to take tax payer funds to save their own property investments? Well there is no small print saying they can. Further if they are talking it from clean energy needed to power the future economy they are behaving like medieval (or worse) despots. I strongly suspect the royalist masons were behind 'dulce et decorum est' (and most likely trying to reinvent it) and that if we want enough clean energy we have to act to challenge their legality and close clubs and place members on registers with the police.
I have been watching the markets closely and to me it was absolutely clear that when the building companies (and building supply) saw that property and site market was going to be COMPLETELY rescued THEN they wrote the bonus schemes for the directors based on share price recovery.
And then some directors appear on TV thinking they don't have to explain themselves! (i am loathe to say the performance looked similar to the brazenness of a mafia don)
I think the 'Persimmon bonus scandal' is one of those historically paralleled moments when people/taxpayers really say that enough is enough with politicians being influenced by lobbies to indulge the big landlords, masons, crown estate, phalanx of property associated lawyers etc and they therefore change course and build the clean power generation we all want. Further it be made clear to royalist lobbies in military and 'intelligence' that there will be no taking advantage of any instability on their part and after the %50 the big landlords already owe is taken , the other %50 may also be taken subject to good behaviour, and lots more such as titles and their religious 'acceptance'.
There must be no halfwit WW1 debacle any time again and maybe if those who benefited so thoroughly from bailout while at the same time attending memorial services really put their hands very deep in their pockets =co

don't trust company that doesn't contact lse to remove Hugh Warner and James Pratt holdings which as everybody knows no longer exist as shown because they have been decimated.

yes and an amazing 72 tankers have left Horse Hill
how many for the Kimmeridge 4 layer ??
And then Brockham Kimmeridge
which could be better

its soooo boring

shame on royalist masons
shame on religions
shame on crown estate
2003 i had aggressive slob from lack of intelligence and lunatic climate change denying psychologist on my case
We should have begun clean energy work and investment then--FACT
Elite refuse to invest or invent personally
Then 2008 they refuse pay cuts but enforce austerity
Big property and site owners are COMPLETELY bailed out (not partially to leave clean energy investment funds)
To sum up to here: That's 2 shame on the elites- no investing prior to 2008 and then placing austerity on population to rescue their assets AGAIN ahead of clean energy investment
These facts never get to the newspapers. Are they masons or do i need to ask!
Obviously there are some powerful lobbies behind the misuse and misappropriation of tax payer funds. But i think it's time to directly accuse these lobbies of illegal activity. What? there's no small print saying they can't organise political system to take tax payer funds to save their own property investments? Well there is no small print saying they can. Further if they are talking it from clean energy needed to power the future economy they are behaving like medieval (or worse) despots. I strongly suspect the royalist masons were behind 'dulce et decorum est' (and most likely trying to reinvent it) and that if we want enough clean energy we have to act to challenge their legality and close clubs and place members on registers with the police.
I have been watching the markets closely and to me it was absolutely clear that when the building companies (and building supply) saw that property and site market was going to be COMPLETELY rescued THEN they wrote the bonus schemes for the directors based on share price recovery.
And then some directors appear on TV thinking they don't have to explain themselves! (i am loathe to say the performance looked similar to the brazenness of a mafia don)
So in answer to your question, that is what is going on

think the idea would be to keep selling down the company(s) until the wrongdoers voluntarily contact the company and cancel the offensive and anti-social action. Presumably in this scenario their ex-colleagues keep contacting them saying their own livelihoods are threatened and could they please think again. Eventually the wrongdoers relent.
Is that a bit like when a school child does something anti-social (there may be no small print covering the 'crime' and the adults are making the judgement based on experience) the whole school is punishedn until the wrongdoer comes forward.
I think this scenario could be extended eg
SKY come forward and admit pushing gambling to children
BBC admit substandard reporting (perhaps under influence?)
masonic club produce list of undesirables who are/have been enrolled
Landlords with more than 3 properties admit a lien over 50% of their assets post 2008 is appropriate
Crown estate admit their silence on above and grasping of tax payer funds that should have gone on green clean energy is really thoroughly unBritish and has no real legitimacy except self interest placed above the greater economic interest of the population. Further far from helping during economic crisis they have taken advantage of it IMO
MP's admit a lot of them put big landlords interest before tax payers interest or green clean energy which has been delayed so much
Judiciary admit moral error not volunteering pay cuts post 2008
So IMO don't think the tax payer shoukd let this one go away. Austerity has been far too cruel, unfair and IMO so thoroughly misdirected it would be wrong to do so
HMRC merrily say contact your MP if not happy where heavily increased tax goes but look at what MPs let happen and no pay cuts themselves. It's beyond a joke and building co.s and building supply co.s just prove it beyond doubt

think the idea would be to keep selling down the company(s) until the wrongdoers voluntarily contact the company and cancel the offensive and anti-social action. Presumably in this scenario their ex-colleagues keep contacting them saying their own livelihoods are threatened and could they please think again. Eventually the wrongdoers relent.
Is that a bit like when a school child does something anti-social (there may be no small print covering the 'crime' and the adults are making the judgement based on experience) the whole school is punishedn until the wrongdoer comes forward.
I think this scenario could be extended eg
SKY come forward and admit pushing gambling to children
BBC admit substandard reporting (perhaps under influence?)
masonic club produce list of undesirables who are/have been enrolled
Landlords with more than 3 properties admit a lien over 50% of their assets post 2008 is appropriate
Crown estate admit their silence on above and grasping of tax payer funds that should have gone on green clean energy is really thoroughly unBritish and has no real legitimacy except self interest placed above the greater economic interest of the population. Further far from helping during economic crisis they have taken advantage of it IMO
MP's admit a lot of them put big landlords interest before tax payers interest or green clean energy which has been delayed so much
Judiciary admit moral error not volunteering pay cuts post 2008
So IMO don't think the tax payer shoukd let this one go away. Austerity has been far too cruel, unfair and IMO so thoroughly misdirected it would be wrong to do so

agree with you moniman
cancel the shares or go inti liquidation... anything to stop that bullying behaviour
As i said this has to be the end for the royalist masons
What has austerity achieved??
Bailed out landlords, repaired palaces and expanded crown estate?, MP's and elite not giving pay cuts, and no clean green energy to help the future and economy
Completely beyond belief and tax payers only it seems have to see their noses rubbed in it
This isn't GB

painful is having licenses just renewed taken away after a decades support from shareholders
this board still says Uranium Resources
suggest you contact lse to change heading if want
personally i don't care about shells and i think tax avoidance while using UK services is psychotically low behaviour
But it has been going on for ages
But it shows how low a lot of organisations really are like eg masons who are almost respectful of tax avoidance IMO
Maybe they know that crown estate has run off with huge amounts of tax payer money from crippling ausyerity and bailout of landlords that should have gone to green energy so they turn blind eye. Its gone on for ages so its acceptable!!
What about murdering journalists. according to UN this is new trend for dissidents and whistleblowers. Establishment all on board with that one too??
At what point do establishment invest any of their own money for green energy ? The trend is 'never'. Not until all the hard work has been done by tax payer and investment can be made on the basis of getting a guaranteed return (on which presumably miniscule tax is paid). And masons and elite accept this also. Does anybody ever question the elite who've stolen the green energy funds for their propety assets and who leave their populations more precarious??
When you've lived long enough you tend to see that history as its written is meaningless and the biggest factor is the elite not investing and running off with tax payer funds against their will (or avoiding tax). They often usurp nationalism or religion to do so but the biggest factor is they weren't going to invest to solve problems of the day anyway.
Yes the elite will invest in green energy when all the ground work has been done. They then receive a huge untaxed dividend with which they are encouraged to buy weapons. And its all a jolly circle and masons perhaps think they are doing gods work? But this model delays progress decades. god agrees with that one??