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Bobsson, that guidance changed in the full year results to: o Up to $5.5m in further milestones expected within 2024.

They shifted the goal posts from $5.5m will be received by end of 2023 to now being expected in 2024 but no time scale.

I think it all lies on the Stalicla deal and the money being received in time to avert a share placing. But the bizarre thing also is, Stalicla have a deal to pay EVG $160m in milestone payments if all goes to plan but EVG is currently only worth about £5m, surely Stalicla will just buy EVG out of the drug is effective for them meaning all this potential money is unlikely to ever be seen by EVG shareholders.

With regards to SFX-01 being a food supplement, wasn’t that what Juvenesense were planning SFX-01 for and they pulled the plug before it even materialised? No mention why. Was it not effective?

I don’t see any immediate sources of money likely from anywhere other than possibly Stalicla. Any deals EVG get like Stalicla was only £0.5m up front, such sums of money are simply not enough.

What shareholders need to know here is how the company will be funded over the next few years. And is it really worth investing if it’s going to be years before any real significant money will be realised?

Well since I wrote a week ago saying Virginbet was perhaps the best app, I’ve been effectively banned from using them. I was around £330 in profit since I opened the account in the summer. I got an email saying my account had been reviewed and I was no longer eligible to enter any promotions and my stakes will be restricted (to pennies) on any bets I place. Shocking! This is nothing short of a disgrace that they can turn away customers who maybe taking money off them but it’s ok if Virginbet take money off customers. I’m fuming at that. I hear this is a common practice from all online bookmakers including Paddypower and Skybet which seems immoral. Thank goodness for the Betfair exchange where the bookmaker does not care if the punter making a lot of money.

I agree with Cukkas that the quality of the apps are a major thing when betting. William Hill’s app is really very good, the best by a long way. Betfair sportsbook is so ordinary, the odds are really poor compared to other sites and it’s just boring and lame. I think they need to market and advertise more or have they given up with the UK scene. Have you seen many adverts lately for the Betfair exchange or paddy power?

Sounds a lot more promising over in America with fan duel. I too am interested in seeing the profits this coming year as in the past it was showing as a loss as the cost of attracting and retaining punters was high.

Well it’s been over two months since any news, there must be some news soon. But I think only news which involves money being received can help the share price here because the money is running out fast.

Oh and don’t get me started on their comments that they aren’t allowed to buy shares for legal reasons. They are treating shareholders as mugs. Just tell us “this is a turkey, it’s just not going to make any money for donkeys years”.

Depends what the news is. They need money desperately because it’s running out fast and they have no sources of income other than Stalicla payments but they are so vague, it was first said $6m would be received by the end of 2023 but that changed without any information given to as anticipated by the end of 2024’. So poor, I bought in believing the money would be received this year to keep the company funded a year longer.

Funny thing is, those who still believe in EVG believe everything EVG say and believe the money is coming.

We never even heard the real reason Juvenesense pulled out. It’s just really poor how they try to keep shareholders in the dark as if we don’t need to know this stuff.

Where is K3VMC who was giving it large back in August, buying what appeared to be £4000 worth of shares at around 2.55p and slaughtering Alf and myself for our criticism of the share. He’s got to be feeling a bit disappointed with how the share price has dropped by about 30% since then and disappointed by his conduct on here.

Flutter is a bit of a conundrum of a share, it never seems to settle and trade within a fairly tight range. It went all the way down to £75 a share in July 2022 after what seemed like a year of steady decline. Then it had almost a year of constant gains reaching £165 a share. At present it’s back on the slide down to £130. I’m not sure which way this goes, will the slide continue like before? I really don’t know.

I like Flutter and I like that they are focused on expanding their American side of the business and around the world, all British betting companies should look outside of the UK for growth because the British side is difficult with our nanny state government always throwing obstacles in the way and the fact the market is so saturated with so many bookmakers.

The problem I have with the American side of the business however is that it has taken ages before it’s starting to make any profits and I do worry that FanDuel will in time lose a lot of it’s market share as more betting companies enter the market and America too have a nanny state where the betting companies will no doubt have to do everything to protect problem gamblers.

Also for those who bet on the Betfair exchanges, volumes are down massively compared to a decade ago, it doesn’t feel like the brand is thriving.

I also don’t know that many people who bet with Betfair sportsbook, paddypower or skybet. Right now bet365 and WilliamHill seem the most popular betting companies by quite a way. Perhaps the best betting site I use is Virginbet, the odds are definitely lower than William Hill but they do offer a lot of free bets. It’s just another challenge to profits needing to offer free bets to attract and retain customers.

Very interesting share IMO.

Was quite excited on Friday when saw the huge jump, would be nice if the takeover rumours were true and what would happen to the share price but with no further news or any updates from Aviva looks like this was just speculation. I still believe this share is undervalued by 10%, 440p seems like the fair price for these shares.

The MMs played it well, a lot more people bought at the 420p - 435p last week than people sold, you can’t really sell in such a situation as missing out would be brutal.

The problem is, the MMS are likely to keep this down now eager for people who bought in last week to sell for a loss.

I can see your trade, 1.86p to buy, how quickly this has fallen. I don’t fancy this share at all now. If they released some transformational news which advised a large amount of money had been paid to EVG I could change my mind.

I think a lot of us long term holders believe Aviva’s average price is around 440p. For a long time that seemed to be a good guide price of whether Aviva is doing well or not.

If the takeover rumours are true then this is still a fantastic buy in price. Any offer for Aviva must surely start over £5.50 a share.

If you have followed AIM shares long enough, the drop from 50p is obvious - the MMs need to make money, if this went up in a straight line everyone investing would be holding a paper profit and the MMs would take a massive hiding. If you make profit they’ve made a loss. I’ve seen it so many times on shares like this, when demand is high they push the share price up sharply way above what they think the share price should be at so people buy above the share price the MMs believe is correct share and then drop it back down quickly to that level. Now there will be a lot of people who have bought in above 37p holding a paper loss. There will be people also worried about their investment falling and will sell out now. At the same time, the majority would not have sold out when the share price was around 50p as they believe this will increase far more.

I’m not invested here, I wish I was, it looks like it has real potential this share but the MMs will be using every trick in the book to make money here too.

I like the idea of takeover rumours. Not a surprise at this share price. The profits last year were around £1.8bn and the market cap is just over £10bn. The Glazers bought Man Utd using debt and used the profits of Man Utd to pay it off and got the club basically for free. The same can be done here buy Aviva for £15bn and it will pay for itself in a decade.

Windsor, I had no idea cigarettes have gone up to that price, just checked it out, you’re right. Without wanting this to be a political post I do totally agree with all that you say, the liberal politics that run western society has turned us into a nanny state and we have become so soft on crime and migrants arriving here illegally but tough on things like gambling as you say.

UK gambling company’s really have so many obstacles thrown their way by each government and you wonder what Labour will do if they get in next year, they are even worse than the current circus.

I’m not invested here but I do follow gambling stocks, I love gambling, Will Hill are my favourite betting company after the Betfair exchange. 888 and Will hill have a great brand but they really should focus on growing outside of the UK. The UK market is so saturated nowadays too, so many competitors too in Betfair, ladbrokes, coral, bet365, paddypower, Betfred, betvictor, Virginbet, skybet, betway. For that reason I was surprised the share price was doing so well here. I think the future could be very good for 888 but really got to look at growing outside of the UK to do so.

Sports bar = sports bet.

Nice post LWHL.

Kingalf posted negative comments on EVG when I was invested in here but I welcomed his comments. The reason why is that these messageboards have so many rampers and people who only post biased positive comments and ignore anything negative. I don’t know what it is about human psychology but the same happened at football index when Caan Berry exposed the scheme, he got huge amounts of abuse.

Rampers and people who only post positive comments are a danger on these messageboards. I and many others foolishly got sucked into an oil (MAGP) and gold (ORE) over a decade ago because of rampers and people only posting repetitive positive ramping posts. It was costly. I would far rather read message boards with both sides of the argument. And just like on here, those message boards where people were posting comments of caution and warning were bullied, censored, rounded on just like people here are calling the likes of Kingalf and I trolls.

So these people wanting people to move on and saying it’s sad to still be messaging when not invested are so wrong.

I’m not invested here but I’m very interested in this share to see how it pans out. Did I make the right decision selling out at 2.55p? It’s like cashing out on a bet, of course I’m still interested in seeing how this pans out.

And how sad that there are people who belittle others for losing £3000 on here, like it’s nothing. Would you place £3000 on a sports bar? No. Would you walk around with £3000 in your wallet? Just because it may not be a lot of money to someone else it is a lot of money to some.

DSFiat - I’m going to take a lot of satisfaction from receiving your apology to me and Kingalf next year. Put some effort into it as well, I want to be touched by your apology. You will be writing one let’s be clear on that.

Your comment about warning you after the event makes no sense. You’re all still invested here believing that this will come good so it’s not like we are warning you afterwards. After the event would be after the Stalicla deal falling through or after a share placing.

Well done formerlyEasyp and well done KingAlf if you bought in and made a nice amount today. I saw the post but I was at work on phones so never had a chance to really look at it. I don’t think I would have bought in though as I have had nothing but bad experiences on AIM shares but that at OBD was what I was hoping would happen here at EVG but as usual on AIM I lost a few grand.

As for you Tricky, you are one of these investors who cannot handle any negative criticism about a company you’re invested in, you are like a woke trans activist who will try to cancel or censor anyone who’s opinion they don’t like. As if KingAlf has had any impact on the share price. You call someone a troll for being negative. You do realise if you invested £10k here 5 years ago your investment would be worth around £1k. And yet you say someone critical is a troll. I am sure this is heading for a share placing next Spring. If it does all shareholders are toast, it will be impossible to recoup one’s money. Maybe at that time you will realise people like Kingalf were the ones being kind trying to warn people like you not to lose your money. You are going to be issuing an apology to us, I’ll see to it that you do.

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Huw said in the last QnA that they would love to buy shares in EVG but have been told they can’t for legal reasons but said he could not go into it. According to the directors deals tab here, no one associated with EVG has bought in since 2016 and it looks like Huw only owns 62,500 shares which equates to about £1500. Directors are allowed to buy shares, they just have to announce it to the stock exchange. Doesn’t it speak volumes that no one associated with EVG have bought shares over the last 5 years and the share price in the last 5 years has gone from around 20p a share to 2.3p a share. They are not daft. They aren’t risking any of their own money in this. I bet they are sit around the table psssing themselves laughing at people who have bought in here.

I really wouldn’t be surprised if they read out names of people on this forum who have invested and absolutely ridiculing them.