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I cannot remember which year it was, but I shared a ward with an old guy who had spent ll his working life in various parts of Africa. I think he was a hydro-electricity engineer.

He had nothing bad to say about Botswana.

The thing I remembered most was that at one time , the whole indigenous population of Botswana could live off the national wealth / income from diamonds. He was retired so when this was I dunno. He was almost surely in upper management or higher rather than a pick and shovel type. Botswana does not have the watercourses for Hydro , so I doubt he spent much time there workwise. If BPC can make a profit at TG prices , rather than a certain loss of the highest import prices - diamonds will have an ally in the economy to improve it.

Another reason why they'll want TLOU to accelerate production and reduce their reliance on imports?

Speculate to accumulate comes to mind. I'm expecting several years befor Botswana is self sufficient but TLOU will prosper in those years.

The veracity of the statement about BPC payments, if true , is likely to be based on foreign countries experience.

South Africa for many years, but with Eskom is no longer the force it was - there are now others.

Eskom could not supply S.A. demand , and only exported to Botswana because they were prepared to pay more , a few carrots more? Eskom took the carrot!

We think BPC are paying up to $30 for the TG unit of power, and it may have reached $40 from a post on here.

I have little doubt that BPC was being ripped off by the supply and demand curve.

Contrast the position we hope to see this year!

TLOU , domestically placed in Botswana , supported by the locals who'll want the jobs they create, and the Govt for various reasons that improve their economy, businesses , and living conditions for the population in general.

Critically , TG has promised to undercut import prices whilst still making more profit than the same electricity would earn in Australia - originally somewhere in the range $12 to $30 per unit - you'd think both will be more now.

The goodwill is clearly likely to be mutual and BPC and Govt will not want to see TLOU struggle to expand until Botswana is self-sufficient on electricity. And if TLOU are compromised there is always the option to deal with SAPP network at a higher price no doubt.

Botswana is proud of its reputation abroad - many countries rate them highly against other African countries.

TG rated them highly in the first place. Current criticism of the Govt is unfair - everybody with an interest in TLOU know we have not reached a start point until the TX line is commissioned and electricity is being delivered to Serowe and the grid.

They are leaving it to TG bring that home in 2024 with respect! Once TG can demonstrate a live service, it will not surprise me if the Govt find money for Grants or Loans to TLOU to speed up the expansions. Until then , we all sit with crossed fingers that TG is still TG from ten years ago! Olda and wiser is my belief!

And , heaven forbid, news of earnings might attract the big boys to look at Botswana and our golden nuggets!

8p is likely by Xmas if TG meets the estimated times. If Serowe is connected to Orapa (don't think it is) the sponsorship from industry on the Botswana grid could follow. 2025 could be interesting - but lets get power to Serowe by Xmas first!

WAS NOT on the roll!

There is something afoot. Having never voted Labour in my life - indeed my father once threatened to bar me from his house if I voted Tory - but that was just bluster and he changed his view and said "my lot" would do more for me than "his lot" would do for him. My flat in Lambeth was Kate Hoey territory - 100% certainty. I grew up in Taunton constituency , Edward Du Cann territory - another 100% winner. In my 8 months in Yorkshire , Keighley was the ultimate marginal in the country and, in 1973/74 , previous elections were always in line with the party that won Keighley?

Their was a General Election and I was on the electoral roll!! FFS? Worse was to follow , I moved to Dorchester and Ted Heath called a referendum on entering the Common Market or not! Neither Liz nor I were on the electoral role for that either. In Lambeth I voted for Lord Sutch to help him save his deposit - which did not happen!

Keir Starmer has just impressed me for the first time. In his own words he effectively said the only things he can change until he is elected as PM is within the Labour Party itself. And he boasts his anti-semiticism measures were a success and Corbyn is history.

His ambitions for the country are all in the wings but there is no way on earth they can be tackled simultaneously due to the costs- and those are theoretical at best. As he impliments plans with the highest priority, a few at a time, he will know which other plans are within budget.

Scrapping student fees and reducing NHS waiting lists are high on his list but BOTH together are unaffordable.

Hence he dropped student fees in favour of Health. He never said if the plan still exists or whether it is just lower priority but he looked to be in the real world to me. Nationalising Green Energy , basing GB Energy in Scotland (he is in Glasgow today) , and bringing the energy business back to Britain for more British workers and companies are his plan. Apparently we import plant from overseas for everything green! Wind turbines in particular.

I'm not as worried about Keir himself but he has so many shadow cabinet women that terrify me!

Rishi bet Piers Morgan £1000 (to charity) that Ruanda flights would happen before the next election!

He has declined to pay the bet because one person volunteered and is already in Ruanda!

They shook hands on the bet and does not very good for him - perhaps he does not give to a charity?

He might be more frugal than TB?

It is so much better being civil BOTS.

Finance does some weird things - I aways assume Bonds and Notes were very different beasts - a marriage certificate versus a few kisses on a post it? The link makes them look the same thing.

I am sure the level of understanding amongst the audience here is at every level - that link is so well written in clear English. And it is now bookmark if I want to view it again , sparing my bookmarks in the browser which are too numerous already.

The directors are given free shares as bonuses from time to time. I considered them to be the same as Convertible Notes except there is no money changing hands like the real thing, and no interest/accruing of shares over time. It was chasing the total number of issued shares after the loans/promises are completed.

I am so annoyed at the media - Rishi Sunak did so well yesterday and he was turned from a sponge to a small waterfall as it rained on his parade! From his reaction you'd never have known it was raining at all!

The media are talking about what an amateur presentation it was - I thought the total opposite!

Why someone did not appear with a huge umbrella to shield him and themself is worthy of criticism.

It would have been a light moment , and I am sure he'd have smiled and shared a joke with his aide about the weather. I was impressed.

I have cancelled my car insurance and completed a SORN. Bike insurance lapses in July along with the TAX and MOT so I'll do a SORN when the tax renewal.arises. Hastings Direct offered to reduce my bike to 3rd party until we realised it was only for 2 months.

I wish I'd just made a case for doubling the steroids to 0.2mg from 0.1mg (the minimum dose though the tablet can be snapped in half). I took 2 tablets after falling in Lidl and the results improved. The seated blood pressures and the standing up readings dropped but were closer together. I'd stil be mobile if I'd done that!

I have never had a problem while seated , so car and motor bike felt safe! All my problems after I stand up too quickly - erection problems I suppose :O) The lack of a dizzy spell is the medical worry - but the medics are ignoring the fact I have been falling on dog walks for a couple of years when picking up poo and standing up to quickly. And seated I am fine. Driving the bike at speed would likely be fatal for someone should I black out - why don't they take that into account - would any sane biker risk their own life and others? I have never had a dizzy spell whilst driving so why would I black out?

I cannot find how you source what loans exist for a company, so I guess it needs a trawl through the RNS and Account releases?

I did find an excellent article on the various options , pros and cons etc though.

https://harperjames.co.uk/article/convertible-loan-note-explained/

The lack of response today , apart from BOTS , encouraged me to read his posts.

And I am glad I read the first one.

I would not have a problem with him if all his posts were reasoned out like that one.

His maths were not bad at all but he could have used this link to save some time.

https://tlouenergy.com/shareholders/

As to convertible notes I saw confirmation of one of his figures for the big two but nothing about the overall total of convertible loans and what has already been converted into shares over the years.

I suspect BOT's figures after loans are squared up are in the right ball park, but did he omit new issues from other loanees, e.g. TG and other directors ? I wondered how many different shareholders have convertible loans, and how many shares could result from them.

If the directors who forewent small fortunes in voluntary loss of salary for years had been awarded convertible loans on their sacrificed drops - the numbers would be significant. Especially Tony's huge sacrifice.

Found some interesting info on convertible loans in my search - notably companies can participate in them without having to justify their finances to the loanees - ideal for start-ups who do not have those figures yet!

Morning Olda, without checking their holdings your 16% and my 34% for the Doc miraculously reaches 50% NOT 51% majority. Is that coincidence or by design?

It would explain why the Doc abstained from the placing , and the number of excess shares that the Fund took from the 169M that were available in January? If I am right , it shows the goodwill between TG , the Fund and the Doc and the faith everybody but one has in TG's leadership.

I am thankful to TG for keeping TLOU alive all these years. I honestly believe there are very few CEOs in the world who would not been panicked into taking fatal decisions and absolute lies.

We are on very happily course to achieve the original plan of CBM power at Serowe.

But just think - if it his plans did not mature as they have - we may have been producing a pipeline to Orapa , we might have had Crypto plants at Lesedi, or we might have found an alternative to Synergen Met if they did not achieve their dreams and a budding Hydrogen business could be underway by now? A very low % of that perhaps but full marks for putting us in a low risk partnership for TLOU if S.M. had produce their lance on time!

And if all those were impracticable we might be supplying Solar power to Serowe.

It does not stop there - the assets , the gas and the demand for power in Botswana , would have had some value to an established power producer surely? I have doubts because there has not been any talk of a hostile takeover despite the value of TLOU being laughable at less than 2p! Botswana was a good choice perhaps - maybe Africa is not the biggest lure forthe big boys or they don't read pigeon english newspapers from Gaberone??

Yesterday I saw my doctor at her surgery to discuss my black-outs at Cherries last home game whilst queing to leave the ground after the match, and opening the back door at home when I could not get my helmet off. Each time I went from a seated position to standing (postural hypotension) for which I am on steroids.

Without the steroids , I was severely dizzy, surroundings spinning, resulting in 4 broken ribs on new years eve!

Since the steroids no dizzy spells until those two faints or black-outs!

Without any warning of an impending attack, the doctor told me she was obliged to stop me driving immediately and she had to inform DVLA!

The alternative was hospital , and I would become their responsibility! The hospital agreed with my doctor after an ECG and blood tests. They doubled my steroids and I am ordered off the roads until I last 6 months without fainting. They trust me to tell DVLA so the ball is my court. I live on the outskirts of the conurbation so transport is important. There is a handy bus to Wimborne or Poole every half hour so this is going to add years to my age if I use one of those shopping trolleys. Football season will be underway by 9th November - a 10 mile+ journey by motorbike and further by public transport - adding hours to the travel time there a

OMG I am getting thicker by the day. Yes Winni , that was it and I did not watch it to the end.

I thought I'd said I was selling up in some sort of cryptic manner until the penny dropped. How sad is that?

I have had a 58" TV for a week no and was looking forward to the 1% club because the lettering was much smaller in the 40" non-smart Samsung. Could not beieve how big the clues appeared and I was too close to the screen I think!

Imagine my disappointment when I went out on the 80% question!!!!

4 guys on an away day. One was reading a book, one was cooking , one was doing playing tennis.

Steve was reading , Dan was cooking , Richard was playing tennis. So what was Andrew doing????

I was trying to think of a Steve Read , Dan Cooke and Richard Court and thought Andrew would have a logical name from them. Talk about overthinking it!

I failed on several other simple ones too but got the tricky ones most people failed onm, but not the 1% question!

The clues contained the spellings ONE, TWO, THREE , FOUR and the options contained a number in words!!

All the failures were similar - a paragraph contained contiguous letters V E S and T in a search for a 4 letter garment! I missed them. Could not see the wood for the trees?

I tried a memory stick to record programmes on the USB ports - and they failed because the sticks could not support the speed of the recording! They work on the 32" JVC upstairs so that was another disappointment!

I have 2 Humax boxes (Freeview and Freesat) which I thought I could turn off - but I'll have to record and playback from them I suppose. They are compatible but are wasting electricity in standby mode.

I can watch PL football on the BROWSER and I was hoping I could record the match (end of the PL season today).

I wanted to find his post on the Pension Fund , Winni, so it was a temporary un-filter for that reason.

6 pages of crap to get to it was incredible! How can anyone say so little but write so much?

Filter is back on again , where it belongs!

I am trying to remember what I was watching the other night. It was a drama , but there was a financial guru in it given a college lecture , and he was stressing he had made his billions because he opted for debt instead of equity on all hs world-wide properties!

It turned out he was buying hotels that were tiny b&b establishments in reality - and publishing pictures of skyscrapers as if they were the hotels! People invested in the skyscraper theoretically and he fraudulently pocketed their monies. My memory is dreadful - I do not know if I watched the whole thing - I think it was about a girl who was a bit of a geek as a child and went on to become a billionaire in her teens. It is coming back "the donkey of the female world" something like "the most stupid confidence trickster in the world" - but the TG was is to raise debt instead of equity. And soon he will have assets to borrow against , and exponential growth on the revenues. With luck, 1.2Bn shares will not be far off the ultimate issue. The Doc will have a decent holding around a third of the shares , and the Fund and the Gilbys will retain control of TLOU for the distant future.

Cloo if you keep repeating Donkey there is no chance of you ever getting anything about TLOU right.

My God I unfiltered Donkey and loaded all his posts - 97% or more that I never read!

On page 6 of 100% filtered messages I finally found what he had to say about the pension fund!

It is nothing short of incredibly stupid!!!

The Doc told us all, well in advance, he was not subscribing to the December placing.

His reasoning could have been several things. TG may have been testing the water without an underwriter to bring home to us how dependent we are on Doc! That worked! Or the Doc did not think 3.5c was discounted enough? Or he'd invested enough and did not want to get too close to 51% majority holding?

WHAT WAS OBVIOUS IS THAT THE FUND TOPPED UP THEIR FULL DECEMBER APPLICATION . Donkey is so thick it defies logic!!! Looking for the post I could npt believe hpw often he mentioned Brad - he does not understand what a filter is either!

And he posts on this thread ..... effing incredible!

"RE: Open Offer 2p Mar 2024 22:31

Why did the Doc and BPOPF not subscribe to the fund raise in December ? Why did BPOPF take until middle March to commit funds?

I know. They wanted to make it seem like it was easy for Tlou to get their money. So simple really. "

Clue you need to revisit his email and find where he says the Pension Fund did not apply for their full quota for December placing but mysteriously topped up their application in January. The clown is incapable of understanding the most straightforward information.

The failed December placing was down to misfortune 80% and poor judgement by TLOU 20%.

The misjudgement was that the market price would rise above 3.5c.

The misfortune was that it declined to 2.8c.

The bad news was it was unattractive to most people.

The good news was that the Pesnion fund knew that 2.8c or 3.5c was irrelevant.

They knew TLOU needed some working capital and with hindsight they'd see that 3.5c was a bargain price once the working capital effected made revenues and share price in a few months time! I wanted to join them in helping in a small way for the same motive.

IG confused me by offering me a placing at a UK address. That seemed to be impossible from the RNS and I'll never know if withdrawing was sense or not. Our option price was 8c yonks ago , 3.5c in 2024? Bargain price!!

We need a thread that eliminates the subject until he converses on the various issues we raise!

There is only one live CBM driven power point in Botswana. It is Selemo and the subject matter poo pooed Selemo despite it powering the pumps and other things at Lesedi for 7 years. It is GREEN energy so he should appreciate the colour because his posts are green on many screens. Green Screen has a ring to it.

We know my £300 - £500 investments each month are a source of ridicule to him!

Has be commented on the saving of 50k+ litres of non-green diesel? Has he said how much diesel is at the pumps in Botswana? I imagine their duty is a fraction of the Uk's but I dunno. How much does a barrel cost to be delivered or taken away? Selemo power has savings beyond the price of the fuel. Labour costs are being spent on managing Lesedi development rather than administering diesel. There are positives everywhere if you look for them.

The number of trades is negligible - so i guess most of us are in suspenders waiting for news of generators being delivered and installed , and gas being connected , and water being pumped to the evaporation ponds.

It is quite complicated until day 1 and then life will be more of the same! Extra water, gas and electricity and maybe wells and Solar panels. And Massissi being reelected?

This could be a short thread for a while,

"For starters - amount of elecrticity needed at camp is negligible and i would be confident they shut wells down for extended periods rather than keep flaring methane unnecessarily."

There is the explanation of why dewatering and gas flows results are not being announced!

Everybody knows that Botswana has a huge demand for reliable electricity supplies , and most of us know there is masses of CBM reserves. What is missing is the link between the two! And that is where TLOU comes in.

The individual components are all mutually dependent and every one needs to be in place to go live.

Installing generators before there is a connection to the TX lines is not essential.

Supplying clean gas to the generator home before the generators exist is not essential.

Supplying a mixture of water and gas until the water is removed is madness.

Shutting down wells is madness unless the company will be insolvent if it continues.

Somehow these processes have to be married and it is planned to happen this year!

And we have the right man as the priest to bring them all together.

Accelerating one process is pointless - they ALL need to be managed within the 2024 target!

We only need one well to produce enough gas and #6 is the one from the reports.

Once #6 is dewatered and gas flows rise , the other wells will hopefully follow suit given time.

Max Verstappen and Pep and Tony Gilby will be fascinated to hear their achievements count for nothing in the near future. We are all stupid because we think success breeds success?

The demand still exists, the gas is still there, and the missing link is getting longer by the day!

Who is worried?

If anyone doubts the value of Selemo , I have some figures from this extract ....

"Power required to run pumps and metering at the Selemo wells was previously supplied by diesel generators. During the quarter, the Company's operations team replaced a diesel generator with a new gas fired generator, running on the gas being produced from Tlou's wells. This is the first Gas-to-Power via Tlou's CBM, and is a significant milestone for the Company and in effect a proof of concept of 'first gas monetisation'. This achievement reinforces Tlou's view that CBM Gas-to-Power is achievable in Botswana using gas from the Lesedi Project.

The Cummins G8.3 generator can supply up to 60 kVA of power and has been customised to run on a small portion of the gas currently being produced at the Selemo pilot which would otherwise be flared. It is expected that the conversion of generation from diesel to gas will initially reduce the Company's diesel requirements by approximately 50,000 litres per year. These savings should grow with time given that a second gas to power generation unit is planned to be installed. "

50,000 litres is £75k at my local petrol station.

That 50k was 7 years ago so how much has Lesedi pushed it on? If it remained at 50k it the CBM power from Selemo is worth HALF A MILLION QUID at UK pump prices today. Lesedi #3, #4,#5 and #6 surely needed more pumps and metering than Selemo .

The experience above is going to invaluable soon when new generators are installed - history is valuable!

Pep is likely to win the PL for the 4th YEAR on the trot - that will be history for a year! Next year will it be 5?

How many Aussies made a fortune from Arrow and Sunshine shares , and how much did Tony Gilby make personally? He put $28million into TLOU in the early days. How much will that $28m be worth when he calls it a day and makes more history?

History , current affairs or the future? All three beyond the comprehension of the major poster on these pages!

TLOU are closing in on first production this year.

They have been producing electricity from Selemo to power Lesedi electricals for coming on for 10 YEARS.

TLOU save thousands of barrels of diesel per year that were needed to produce dirty electricity before Selemo.

Selemows dewatered with months of TLOU adopting it.

Selling power from Selemo attracts ROYALTIES to the clowns who sold it!

By switching to Lesedi TLOU avoid royalties on gas or electricity when we go live this year!

By using Selemo energy ourselves I assume we are liable for those royalties cos we are not selling gas or electricity!

The royalties would be 3% from any profit on electricity , or 12% if we sold gas from the backs of lorries as originally planned.

In the 10 years or so delivering electricity into the grid , and delivering gas via pipeline to Orapa Gold mine electricity generation (currently diesel , but they are designed for either diesel or gas).

Hybrid electricity (Solar in daylight , CBM 24/7) is planned long-term.

CBM power revenue will help to introduce Solar and increase gas production.

TLOU chose Botswana because the ceiling was expected to be $30 per unit - the import price from Eskom!

If TLOU stuck with Australia the ceiling was expected to be $12 per unit! Having make $1bn and $3.5bn from his first two sorties into CBM during the Oz Zoom years. The CEO feared Oz was creating too much red tape in the new CBM powered industry. He had high hopes that Botswana would be better.

Botswana requested proposals from companies. Progress was halted when the legal documents were found to contain a paragraph that stipulated proposals to supply Botswana with CBM power were only acceptable from companies who were already supplying CBM power!!!! i.e. NONE! The ensuing melee cost at least 18 months until every clause was challenged and corrected due to mistrust. Covid and lock down then followed and doubled the dormant period! It is a miracle TLOU stayed solvent but the CEO has managed it and 2024 is on course to see us providing first supplies to the grid.

Can we please ignore the filtered one who has become the centre of attention on this board.

This is supposed to be a chatroom with TLOU related topics at the core.

It has been hijacked , as was ADVFN , by that individual, and tbh anyone who expects to find anything useful about TLOU on either site is extremely unlikely to give us a second thought! I believe that these chatrooms are the first port of call for new investors. LSE shows the current price, and, if it is within budget, the are charts for historical prices. If the trend appeals then these pages should convey an idea of what investors (I hope) think about their holdings and reveal the mentality of current investors who have a voice. Links to company websites , broker opinions and company RNS are also available, i.e. serious research!

The 2p price ought to be attractive.

17p peak to 1p trough and recovery to 2p recently will produce a mixture of opinions.

The chat will likely reveal a horde of irrelevant posts , and greater irrelevant opinions about the horde of posts

The motive behind this is to shut down platforms that should be informative for TLOU investors or potential investors. Is it an attempt to allow the clown who is responsible for this to reduce the price to fit his budget or is there a more malignant purpose? Or is he afflicted?

FFS FILTER HIM and never discuss him again!

Donkey only knows about direction clue!

For him everywhere is down! He is a low life.

He thinks everything that is above him is actually beneath him!

I heard a life saving piece of advice today!

If you ever get caught in an avalanche and are buried - you may not know which way is up (like Donkey).

So you make a hollow and spit! The direction the spit takes should be down!

Donkey makes me wanna spit every time I read his posts.

20/20 clueless ....... 100/0 more like?

I am looking at the Eurovision odds , and nearly all the money seems to be for Croatia (odds on favs) and Israel (fairly short) with Paddy Power. They have my favourite, Austria/Kaleen, at 150/1 who are available on Betfair @ 670/1?

Ireland , which I am amazed got through their semi-final , has brought back memories of the days I took the competition more seriously! Frequently the Catholic countries gave Ireland high numbers of votes and the UK the opposite - I think it explained some of their victories! Since then I have lost track of the countries far less their religions - Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were countries in those days! Prague and Belgrade still exist somewhere but I knew them as the capitals of about 125 countries which has risen in number.

Nowadays , as then , neighbouring countries tended to vote for each other. But Ireland frequently gave the UK ZERO/NIL. I thought about laying Ireland until I remembered that bias. Perhaps laying the UK is safer but that would be very expensive because we are high odds (quite rightly). Austria, Estonia and Armenia are my favourites. Betfair probably reflects the voting public's view so bucking that market can be foolish. For me Austria should walk it, Kaleen is the finished article and the song is catchy enough to win. Israel's girl has a lovely voice and a rich population behind her across the world. She justifies betting or laying but best to steer clear perhaps.

My favourites reached the final so things are looking good this year. Australia was a surprise but the time of the voting did not favour them. My total stake so far is £7 , the same as Donks holding in TLOU shares perhaps?

I win over a grand if Kaleen wins!

Quite right Winni.

Commonsense applies here! I cannot see this being any other way!

BPC are presumably given a price for their Moripule electricity and they sell it on for a profit! Simples!

Not so simple , is that power is not dependable so Botswana import their power , originally from Eskom in South Africa. Eskom could meet the level needed for S.A. itself , so their price to Botswana had to be worthwhile!

BPC could not afford it!! So the govt shares the bill and BPC pays the rest!

The full price was $30 back in 2010's and TG saw $30 as his return instead of $12 in OZ.

He could afford to beat $30 , keeping Bots happy, whilst doing very nicely at the same time!

The subsidy will continue with or without TLOU!

Ideally BPC will be able to afford our prices and still make a profit! If not the GOVT will be paying a much reduced subsidy so TLOU will be good news , especially if $40 is the new $30!!!

If I am correct on this, and i cannot see where there is room for error , BPC are protected if TLOU play fair.

I suspect the GOVT paid a FIXED subsidy to Eskom, with the occasional review, leaving BPC to pay the difference. Fluctuating up to $40 per TG unit, maybe, it is no wonder BPC have trouble paying on time (if donkey is right on that).

TLOU will definitely bring stability long term and is a breath of fresh air to the whole country.

Reliable electricity supplies and bills will grow the economy and create new demand for more energy.

Eric Molale said "as long as the energy is affordable" he would back CBM to the hilt!

Lefoko gave us a PPA during lockdown - the goodwill is there from the Govt.

We are advancing within our means - TG could have gambled over the last 10 years and it may have worked or we might have gone bust! It is 100% certain the gamble would have killed us with lockdown and Covid appearing from nowhere! TG is a Saint ....

Will he gamble once income arrives? My money is on him being right whether he does or does not!

Buying or leasing multiple drilling plants for Mamba, Lesedi and Boomslang using cash from CBM and Solar energy is on the horizon. I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime but hopefully I'll be high fiveing with the missus from somewhere when it happens.