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Point being, IT never got through, whatever version you wish to be true.

The President is giving them chances to take the easy way out, but the slow degradation by fiscal means is just that, slow, so Iran had better hope he doesn't tire of waiting and start taking out all the bridges first and then the water sources just to build some nuclear device that IF it is ever used will come back to haunt them as much and likely more than 'any' victim of theirs.

Tump isn't the push over that this kind are used to seeing in the woke West now, and they have met their match, and don't like those apples.

Let's hope for our sakes that the President can get what he wants as quickly as is feasible and that fewer innocent lives are lost or harmed by the Iranians getting it their heads, that they will win nothing, but have plenty more to lose, whilst the President and most all Americans will live a wonderful life in comfort and luxury whatever happens to the SoH..

Thank goodness that President Trump knows just how to deal with these people. Hate him they might, but they will eventually learn not to mess with the US ever again.

If only we had a leader here like that, our beaches would be flotsam free within days.

Almost worth seeing tens of k' vanish from share price to see that not the entire Western world has turned woke.

Let's hope he starts taking out the bridges next, they need to know their place in the world order before they start thinking straight it would seem. Sorry for the innocents who will pay some of the prices as with all situations where vile beings have been allowed to roam to do as they please, but for the greater good by future generations lets hope that the Presidents bravery, going it alone against the woke worlds masses, truly pays off for the west and the better people in Iran.

Shame my BP shares aren't great enough in number to counteract my all too many financial based shares, but once the President breaks their moral, I am sure Lloyds and the other fiscals may recover given time.

A bit of a odd question, but assuming as is normal for shares, if all is equal to the day before ex div, then come ex div, the share price ought to be 15 p cheaper, right.

So if that is the case, then surely it is better to buy then, and yes you will forgo the dividend this year, and dip out on 15p per share, BUT you will be holding all your stock, for the rest of time for 15p less break even, than IF you had bought PRE ex div day.

So in every future year of holding your average will be 15p lower than what it otherwise would be forever as long as you hold them, making that the wiser move, surely, as the 15p you miss out on this year, you gain back by paying 15p less (maybe even lower as many sell up once div bagged) on ex div day, but you then hold all your stock 15p cheaper, gaining more shares for your money, and a higher yield forever.

So none of you feel this relief rally may be false, and that the President is using these peace talks to gain more boots to invade and a real war will soon ensure? Seems to me that the wise are going to price in the troubles to come, both war and the effects of on the market, not just some fake joy that the two bitterly hating sides may talk a few unacceptable demands to one another.

Hope I am wrong but doubt it.

STP, ' that's all folks', springs to mind, as the penny, or perhaps more accurately the 'dime' is dropping that the market rally was fake and just to allow the wise to get out with their shirt still on.

I am holding but likely to live to regret it over the coming days.

Clued, perhaps you hadn't noticed, although I am sure you must have done, that the 'other sides' leaders are far far more evil than President Trump will ever be.

Whilst the POTUS can never be classed as a kindly, gentle soul, going by what we hear, do you not see that turning the other cheek, doesn't work with hardliners, and that is exactly WHY the West has become so weak, with the innocent here now paying the price for past and current Governments 'being eternally nice'.

The days of the West leaders writing a stern letter to evil regimes has lost its effect since we no longer march in and rectify barbaric savagery.

So nations who are still in the old mindset, get more evil, whilst the West at best put 'sanctions' on such, which are slow and often ineffective.

So Trump like characters are sadly needed to redress this long lost 'balance' and this hopefully will be a reminder that not all the West has lost it's bottle and is willing to be dictated to by unelected regimes. Sure it is too late to do anything against China, or Russia, but that doesn't mean smaller potentially evil undemocratic states can't be stopped before they become too big for their boots too.

This soft weak approach has ruined the UK hence we have workshy, education ruined by feral vermin, people especially girls and ladies afraid to go out in their own country now, jails full so any crim knows a short or more likely non existent sentence is all they get, and the hard working public now will not only fund their own increased bills, but those spongers so called classed in poverty, whose children are often the worst offenders will again be immune from any increases on essential living.

Being nice only works when the recipients are themselves decent people, and when hard line rulers who can't be voted out rule, it is seen by such as weakness not kindness.

Whilst you think the US President is evil, odd how all sorts of people risk lives to enter the US and the UK, but people risk the same to flee from these undemocratic lands.

Best think about it all, not just headline reading. But it is impossible for a man to learn, what he thinks he already knows. Epictetus.

Still it ought to propel BP upwards of which I am pleased, and nice people can donate their increases to victims of war on whatever side their loyalty dictates.

..is indicating the US are expecting to play the long game, and merely playing for time with talks, as he approaches Ford and GM to consider manufacturing munitions once more.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=a1dd4e7db5acbf71b28bde84c369ac297e3bc7ba94ad352c98436e3f4cb24af8JmltdHM9MTc3NjI5NzYwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=0f23f548-ced8-63b2-3359-e332cf1762f3&psq=ford+and+Gm+to+make+munitions&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXNuLmNvbS9lbi11cy9uZXdzL3dvcmxkL2ZvcmQtZ20tY291bGQtYmUtYWJvdXQtdG8tbWFrZS13ZWFwb25zLWZvci10aGUtZmlyc3QtdGltZS1zaW5jZS13d2lpL2FyLUFBMjExZ1AzP29jaWQ9QmluZ05ld3NTZXJw

IF so, lets hope the US destroy the evil and the President is victorious or as much as anyone can be in any war situation.

Best go long on Avon and HMO's here, for the boots on the ground will likely be the catalyst to bring the 'relief' rally back down to Earth.

Re "re Trumps blockade ...it is looking a very good move ATM"

I did suggest couple of weeks ago, that President Trump would perhaps be wise to mine the SoH with remote controlled sea mines, that way it covers two issues. It allows less US lives being put at risk, and stops Iran gaining from the sales of oil, but would allow the US to allow through, when deemed safe those ships who they feel warrant safe passage.

So perhaps President Trump reads this bb, yet unlikely he would be silly enough to invest in a currently short lived 'relief' rally, for even if the war ends, we still have the same old problems we had before, private credit, never ending spongers to fund, none of course worried over rising costs as we, via the 'kind' Gov will pay their share as well as our own increased bills, and of course all more costly as inflation will rise and energy prices will not return to where they were pre President Trumps victory, least not for the UK.

Re "beats me how its all holding up"

Perhaps the fact that little of the 20% of the oil passing through the SoH was ever going to the US helps. Perhaps the fact that the US having so much oil it exports it helps. Maybe the fact that in times of stress the US dollar being the reserve currency rises as buyers know a nation floating on oil, food basket to the world, greatest military ever, a fully armed and mostly loyal population would be hard to ensnare.

Add to that the President Trump is actually doing something about the major problems of the US massive debt and encouraging businesses to relocate there, and putting tariffs on imports, making such more costly to the Americans to switch, GIVEN TIME, demand back for home produced steel, chips etc.

This will create work, keep the money in the US, reduce benefits, create better societies rather than just take his paycheck, do nothing, except watch the US debt grow every higher to the delight of the green eyed watching world.

President Trump is rich enough to ensure he, and all his family will be living in massive homes, heated pools, drive the biggest cars, jet anywhere in the world, except Iran, and live a wonderful life whether fuel is ten buck a gallon or one thousand, but the rest of American won't fare so well, so he is trying to do the right thing for his electorate and country, as he said, he would, but he never promised the hanger on'ers an meal ticket, or to defend them, for the US have done enough to help the starving millions, to help save Europe, twice, and the thanks is just like any long term 'welfare aid' people just 'expect' it, demand it as 'their right' that America owes them a good life. It doesn't.

President Trump has wised up, seen how spongers breaking into the states are costly and often trouble, he sees that being nice just gets taken for granted and abused, so now other countries will have to defend themselves, feed themselves and find their own energy solutions, or buy it at the full market price from the USA, for he is looking after his electorate as a leader should, not the worlds nere do wells.

The policy will take time, it will cost more to implement than just doing nothing, or writing a harsh letter as we are used to seeing with our gutless political parties answer to all our ills, as they are seemingly 'nice' but as our society breaks under the strain of 'being nice' let's see how our children and grandchildren fare under 'nice' Governments weak, wishy washy woke policies.

Time will show what policy works best for the electorate unless you are a 'taker' then imo, the soft approach is doomed to failure.

Lloyds can drop much faster than it ever rises, so the s.p is no barometer imo.

And Whatisaytothat, is but links to 1970's songs are perfectly fine on here, as the poster has always been upbeat?

I enjoy all posters comments, we need to lighten up, for what we say makes no difference to any outcome, just opinions, which is what the boards are for, stick to RNS's etc for facts.

The War, with POTUS the key figure, is relevant to all our lives and to all shares, including CBG.

Let's hope the positive bank results over there are at least mirrored, albeit through a less magnified glass, here for bank shareholders.

Glad at least you agree on one point, thought I was alone on that too.

Re: "Yankee banks absolutely awash with cash I see"

Perhaps the Government there, unlike here, choose not to take cash from it's electorate via scams to do so, but instead puts it's people first, and foremost, and just takes from other countries wealth instead, as the dollar rises, being the reserve currency, top companies flock to the states knowing it is a safe a country as can be in this world. It floats on oil, is the food basket for the world, has the best military, and a mostly loyal population armed to the teeth, so would take a massive effort in a war to invade such.

Despite the woke bunch disliking the President he is trying to do what he said, make America great again, that does not happen by wording a stern letter to your potential enemies. Action is what is needed, and whilst the Trump haters are happy to jeer at the rising debt in the US, the President is trying to do something about it, not for himself for he knows he will never live to spend all he and his loved ones have, but because he loves his country first and if others have to pay, suffer etc to keep the USA top dog, he will ensure all his powers aim to meet that end.

The green eyed allies of old have been cast adrift to fend for themselves, and obviously don't like it, or him.

No one likes to admit those they don't like are correct... Do they?

Cue soon the private shareholders law suit when CBG throw investors under the double decker, which also will come to nothing.

Ps, bed time now as up early in morn, so can't reply back till later tomz. Hope a permanent solution is found to all this misery whatever it may be.

Fordm, I do have empathy, but like most people, or lizards, I care first for my own family, then friends, then people I sort of know, then I prefer the people where I live, then the English, then the UK, then Europeans, as is normal for most people when one clearly can't know the entire worlds people individually.

So not saying that there aren't better people elsewhere, but I don't know, so don't care so for others.

I do know that without the USA the UK would be very different place, and so we owe them some debt, not just the money we paid them back for the war.

Not saying they are squeaky clean, or trustworthy, FEW are are certainly not any leaders, for they do the job for their own egos, not for others.

But to hate the world because people are corrupt, deceitful, are users, etc is pointless, because most people are to some degree.

The UK declared WAR on Germany, not the other way around. Most still say it was the right thing to do, so whilst the USA did start the war, the reason give at the time was due to the perceived risk of nuclear long range devices being used against the USA some time soon.

IF that is right, then POTUS was wise to slow the process down and attempt to end that dream.

I don't know if it was so, but neither do you, but imo, I would rather thousands of people far removed from me ever knowing them were killed than even one of my family, or any of my friends, or tens of people I know, or hundreds of my fellow countrymen.

That is normal to my lizard thinking, and I dont eat flies yet, that maybe of course yet to come.

I have no truck with the Iranian people I met a few and lovely they were too, so it is not I don't care, just can't see an end to this unless something drastic occurs, and I wonder IF another WW starts if the US or Iran would aid or hamper our plight, so that choice is where my loyalties are, albeit less so with this President in power.

T, don't fully disagree, but point being that I bet that applies to many of the Iranian leaders and leaders the world over, doesn't make it any the less wrong, but similarly doesn't make it any the more worse. Men especially but humans are not all nice, never have been never will be, and with President Trump, he was elected with many knowing of his dubious past, so, like some of his victims, the choice was likely there. Not so many other girls and ladies who are abused every single day in the UK, with no mention, nor no pay off.

Need to know more to judge fully, and hopefully that will happen IF something terrible not just a media witch hunt has occurred here.

Can't say anymore as don't know, and not a Lloyds thing, as the war undoubtedly will be effecting it's progress going forward as the knock on effect of the war is overplayed and used to blame for any downwards UK futures, with of course some of it actually 'being' due to the war. Bed now, more in morn I guess.

T, the whole saga of such things to me is sickening, and I admit I have not researched into any of it, only what the headlines shout out. But if the POTUS is guilty, it won't go away, war or no war. Just saying if these women were going off with a handsome football player, likely little would ever be said, but if an old ugly man is involved, the grotesque image alone makes for a disgusting thought, but to someone 'in it for the money' who has a choice, then I can't be in their mindset to know how much more damage is done. IF they have no choice then an entirely different matter.

Without knowing all the details, which quite honestly I don't wish to know, I can't agree or disagree on the rights and wrongs of it all.

Lets hope this war ends with at least Iran giving up on it's nuclear ambition, and likely just saves up its cash and buys one from its few allies if it is a must have item, and we can go back to the usual misery of private credit risks for banks, the car DCA costs, and the miserable economy etc.

Funny to think that they seem like the good old days now. This President won't be around forever, and as with any far leaning leader, the usual next choice is the complete opposite mindset. Just want a middle of the road leadership, seems impossible to have though.

No, I don't want it. But I can't see any other way that the type of mindset that the Iranian leaders have, will be changed by any other means.

I know many likely you, would love to see President Trump slink off back to the US and to be disgraced fined, etc etc, but some of us would like this problem with Iran sorted once and for all, not just for a few months then the risk of them gaining nuclear will be against the US and other nations.

But of course thanks to the BBC brainwashing, any country so long as it isn't the UK or USA can do no wrong, as we can't do no right.

The only way, as with the Japanese mindset in WW2 MAY be to use such weapons to shock them so much that fear removes strict beliefs long enough for them to see life in this world, not some 'after life' just might be more important.

I am not sick, I want no one hurt or killed but would prefer IF it has to be the case that it is not us or our now shaky US once trusted friends.

This President won't be around forever but the growing hate of the West in Iran will be unless halted NOW. Killing hundreds of thousands now may prevent millions being killed in a likely future war IF they gain nukes. First loss if best loss.

I think we should all do our bit, and not buy any Iranian 'Eat me dates' this Christmas.

IDoji, I have always said that President Tump said he wanted to make America, not it's hanger on err's great again. And whilst the US green haters, presumably jealous of the high living standards in the US, jeered at their ever growing debt pile, hoping the whole lot would come crashing down, this President is trying to do something about it.

Whether it will pay off, and certainly it is questionable morally the way he goes about it, but end of day, a true elected leader should put his people first and foremost, not the worlds needy, or spongers, you do that with charity of choice if you wish to, when you are not in debt and when all your own people have had their fill.

T, my daughter would fully agree with your assumption of President Trumps reason for war, but she is a student and as I said to her, even IF, and a big IF, he did have relations with girls, these girls were not victims plucked from the park for wicked men to have their way, they were paid and knowingly went with these guys by choice of easy money. Truth is they would have been doing the same acts with some other low life for far less money if not on that Island.

So not making excuses, but as pointed out, we have had gangs, not a gang , but gangs doing far worse to children in Rotherham. Rochester etc, yet you werent up in arms then. Similar with Iran, many young girls abused, raped and forced to marry old men that they dont want to, but as with her the silence on that is deafening. WHY? Can only assume white girls in their own country abused by newcomers aren't so important as paid hookers, or in the case of Iran, as the perpetrators are non white then they again are blameless.

Seems very biased to me, perhaps you could enlighten me, for she couldn't just says I don't care, which isn't true at all, as any crime of that kind is vile, but I say a willing party is not the same misery as an unwilling person will suffer.

Seems more a case of personal hate or is that not the case?

Lloyds will fall as will most others shares, wish I has equal value of BP to hopefully counteract the woe to come, but I haven't.

No disrespect for anyone's views, just truly puzzled by a few.

I am aware that the water is useless for crops and drinking unless desalinisation has taken place, but hard to use such if the waterways has thick crude oil floating upon it should tankers hit a mine or be attacked.

So for Iran to hit any tanker would not be good for itself as much as their enemies.

I don't agree that for President Trump to use nuclear would be suicidal, as most right minded nations know that the winner of any full scale nuclear war has too much to lose itself. But these fanatics aren't like most normal leaders who 'hedge their bets' on not implicitly trusting in a 'better after life' and so live life to the full whilst here, and likely have doubts about the next one.

As you always, as is your right, find fault with ever suggestion to bring about a lasting peace, not a few weeks or months, what does your superior mind or AI bot suggest is the best way out for the States and the free world now.

No use blabbing on about what should or could have been done, as it has happened.

What would YOU do IF you were the President now?

Perhaps a new deal could be done once the President destroys any water sources in Iran, with the West swapping tankers of water, for tankers of crude. Won't be easy for Iran to control a country once parched with millions dead and crops failed.

Time to start getting nasty, with perhaps limited nuclear strikes, it worked well in WW2 with the Japanese who would rather die than surrender, soon bought them to their senses and tested their 'faith' once the landscape was laid waste and unrecognisable to those who had lived their for decades.

Easy to be 'strong' when it is only others suffering, but when your cities are levelled and population starved the control and power these fools once held mean nothing. And with the hateful eyes of China, Russia watching the Presidents every move looking for weakness, he now has little to lose, for he is toast if he doesn't win this war, no matter how, just need to win imo.