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Instead of asking people on the discussion board why don't you ask AFC via the questioning link in the fundraise RNS.

If they wish to answer, it may save a lot of Google engineers.

Who actually knows ? Apart from them .

I love reading your posts Notes. They always make me laugh.

Newboy, I nearly used that analogy today also. That I believe is the idea. Not to destroy habitats but to draw attention to the issue of climate change using a popular spectator sport to get maximum effect.

There are plenty of worse things going on around the world than Xtreme Es one day sports event. We use all kinds of harmful processes in these remote locations such as driving shipping tankers through the arctic, the deserts are full of petrol vehicles, rain forests are being cut down. It would not be the intention to destroy these places.

Movement of the equipment and vehicles is just the egg cracking whilst the omlet is the event broadcasting to the wider audience

AnneOwl, The other day you were telling everyone how many shares you had and the cost of dilution to you personally. Now you seem to just want to talk down everything good about what AFC do.

You question everything and provide, in your opinion a better alternative or a why do it this way when...… response.

I am not sure of your motives but if you are so heavily invested get behind it and look at the positive the publicity will do for AFC. OK its not going live until 2021 but they will have to market the sport and AFC are in 'Collaboration' having marketing rights. What is that worth to a small green tech company ?

Millions and millions of pounds of free advertising from now and throughout next year to 220m people around the world, maybe more.

Please cheer up.

Yeah, I get that, Maybe thy will fit a sound generator to the cars to make them sound better. A bit like they have in the football without the crowd.

its actually a very interesting concept.

Motor sports is trying to get greener but with the introduction of EV and the improvements I can only assume that in years to come motor sports using combustion engines may die out with the petrol and diesel cars.

What would be the point. It would be a dinosaur in comparison to the EV alternative.

Well positioned if you ask me.

As I said AB is a genius and I am starting to like his style.

Finally Daz. A post thats not so much what we haven't got but looking at what we have.

You are welcome from the dark side. Its much brighter over here.

The fact that AFC are actually being paid is impressive. What would advertising cost for a 221m audience.

AFC are in collaboration, a partner, their presence will be prominent.

AB is turning into a commercial genius. He is really going up in my estimations this last few months.

I like him.

not necessarily beach. Who else have they been working with that may have designs on compact stationary off grid power?

Who is buying electric fleets that doesn't want grid upgrades. Motorway services, delivery companies such DPD or UPS or Royal mail for that matter.

The H Power system can be used in many applications. Any big building contractor in London that uses diesel must surely be looking at green credentials and replacing diesel generators.

Any contract is big news as its what gets the ball rolling as have these.

Don't think the market has really caught on with this Acciona, fund raise and now this. Seem to be obsessed with ITM who just generate hydrogen. Or CWR cause they have been backed by Bosch. So what. Where is the real value in investing.

In know where my money is and will be going.

Yellow. The advertising they will receive alone is worth millions.

This is a commercial contract and a one-off. It is more about the promotion and PR and to demonstrate a closed loop system from production of green hydrogen through an electrolyser, which up until this morning has never been discussed by AFC and now we have one.

It goes to show how advanced AFC are in system development, not just in power development but now production of green hydrogen for energy production.

They will now showcase this on a global scale. Cant really put a price on that.

Cannot get my head around the negativity here. Why do people always try and talk it down??

Madness

Tomorrow is the AGM, I am sure they will accompany this with an AGM statement and a trading update. This will provide a pipeline of business amongst other things.

It may be announced alongside this or within the statement.

Looking forward to this to be honest.

Funny, No RNS.

AnneOwl. What happens when the battery has discharged its energy ?

How big of a solar PV farm would need to be carted around to recharge just a battery as you originally implied.

The AFC system has an electrolyser, lets say 25kw, which generates hydrogen and oxygen to feed a 20kw fuel cell.

The fuel cell works continuously and trickle charges the battery whst delivering power to whatever is needed on sight. Not just EVs.

As the battery is being charged there is no a large draw from the system and therefore the battery can be used to make up the difference between the 25kw electrolyser and the 20kw fuel cell as it is stored energy. Where the battery is supporting power requirement the solar PVs lets say 5kw which would fit comfortably on a few 10kw containers is used to make up the balance.

Its not quite as simple as that but I am sure you get the point. There has to be as much power available to electrolyse the water as there is generated in the fuel cell. This lets say 20% loss can be made up of 5kw solar PV which is about 16 panels.

The balancing is more complex but I am not the designer so its not my problem but that is the essence of the solar PV. Not to fully charge a 2mwh battery you would need alot more than 5kw or it would take forever.

BB, yes in this case. But if there was no fuel cell system and as AnneOwl said 'why not just use a battery'. Solar would take an age to recharge it unless you had a huge array, and there would need to be a means to rapid charge the battery.

So yes, the battery is not to be rapid charged in this system, just trickle charged from excess energy generated by the cell.

it really is that simple. Batteries are great for storing energy but need to be charged rapidly.

Solar is great in a large array but not compact as the power is not sufficient

The fuel cell can deliver large amounts of power very quickly.

Everything else works with it to balance the needs.

Believe me, this has been engineered very well.

I would guess that the solar panels will be to balance the loss in the system due to efficiencies.
Power from the battery or fuel cell system can be used to generate hydrogen. Whilst their are losses in the process the solar panels can be used to bridge that loss.

Why not just use the battery ?

Because the battery cannot be charged quickly from solar and once it has been discharged would take an age to recharge using a couple of 275w panels. That is why the system would be designed with solar panels to deliver power to compensate for efficiency. The fuel cell providing rapid power and the battery to store excess and feed into EV or Electrolyser as required.

2Mwh Daz, not 20Mwh.

Depends on the system size they are feeding. I cannot answer that.

I guess the solar system will be generating hydrogen full time (day light hours) whilst the rally is set up on site and the EV chargers will be used periodically producing 2Mwh over the course of a race.

A race could be days and days so 2mwh could be generated from a 160kw system in 13 hours over 5 days for argument sake. Whilst the solar system could be producing hydrogen and storing continuously during daylight hours

Daz,

The majority of shares have not been admitted to AIM. So any overhang will not be £31.6m

We also have no idea who owns those shares and their intentions. Clearly from the first admission there is no major interest as we have not had a TR1.

Any PI's that bought in the 16p placing would have sold what they had knowing that they had secured whatever at 16p. A bit of a short sell right ? sell high buy low ?

Why do we keep taliking this down ? I just dont get it. We are either holders and therefore supporters of AFC and AB or we are not. Doesnt make sense to have a negative outlook on something you or anyone else has a vested interest in.

Postive sentiment is needed and that is the only thing that will move the SP to levels we all believe it perhaps should be at.

Surely the only thing that needs to be added to this is water.

Power for electrolyser comes from Solar,

Power for EV charging comes from Hydrogen produced in the electrolyser.

The waste water from the reaction utilised on site. Perhaps re-looped back in with a top up.

Nothing dirty and emission free. Completely.

This has huge potential for the 'Media Storm' we have been waiting on.