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Back on the LSE chat again in 2025 to see what’s new but alas, not much changed. Everyone is still losing money here in AML land. Paul and theanswerisno (who’s English looks like it’s improved somewhat) still going at it. C2637g still calling cash raise, everyone hating on him/her/they, even though it’s AML bleeding your portfolio - BE MAD AT AML, Not Each Other! New CEO, same old excuses for poor execution. It shows it’s a problem with the product, not the market, because Tesla and Ferrari (up until recently) have done fine since 2020. Oh, what’s that? LUCID? Less we speak of them, the better!!

The show goes on for now, I suspect AML will need to go private. Popcorn still free but a bit at stale at this point.

Yet another cash raise, this time of $162m. Stroll and co. certainly have some mighty deep pockets. I’ve lost count of the number of times Aston Martin has needed a cash injection just to keep this business afloat. Being an AML shareholder today must be like being in an abusive relationship, where ‘this time, it will be better; promise’ is just a recurrent theme.

C26 was right again… although, I didn’t think it would come this soon…

It’s over now. I said back early in Strolls tenure. Everything needs to go well for AML to recover. If there are any bumps in the road, it’s a big big problem for AML.

I don’t see 27th March being a positive day for AML, 60p range may be in play. Yes I said it and date stamped it.

It’s just stacking up against this company. Sad to see.

“Hallmark hasn’t left Bentley to fail” well of course not! Nor did Moers leave Mercedes AMG to join AML to fail. But guess what; Moers still got fired within two years. You know the business has been mismanaged when the company sells less cars, accrues more debt and has to also fire staff just to save on costs. I think the staff let go were mainly costly temp staff/ contractors - though I could be wrong.

One can hope Hallmark will do a good job, but that was said of the last few CEOs, so I wouldn’t get the hopes up this early.

Never thought I’d see the SP drop this low, 75p? That’s insane. Hallmark will effectively be performing open heart surgery at this rate, just to save the business.

Really really do feel for the retail investors. Stroll sold us all a dream, now it’s turning into a nightmare.

That's what I thought when I bought into AML in 2020 and it was then 50p - £10 in today's money after share consolidation.

Let that sink in, £10 was considered oversold 5 years ago. Now you think 80p is too cheap to ignore?! Have you done any fundamental analysis of AML at all?

I wouldn't be surprised if Geely get's more involved.

Wow. 5% layoffs, low guidance, debts more than market cap? Hopes pinned on Valhalla now (it was DBX before)? I’m an ex investor, bought in during May 2020, sold over 12,500 shares in 2023 for around 370-380s all in the name of profit. Poured that money into AMD and later Nvidia. Safe to say, I’m grateful I saw sense back then.

Haven’t been here a while, but not much has changed. C26 (who is the perfect definition of a broken clock) and Paul still going back and forth, some poster who can’t write comprehensible English, the share price continues to find new lows. People still coming here (and ADFVN; whatever it’s called) looking for scraps of optimism. Popcorn is still available, for free.

I really feel for the retail investors, because no LTH here can be in profit, AML must stand for Advanced Money Loser at this rate.

I gave AML 5 years back when Stroll took over. But after 3 it was clear this guy had the wrong plan. Now he’s nowhere to be seen. No big interviews talking about cash flow or EBITDA or share price expectations. Everything Stroll told us back in 2020 up to 2023 was just hot air. It’s clear the electrification plan has failed; it was meant to spur order book demand. He said back in 2021 AML was financed ‘forever’ and wouldn’t need more money from investors in future. Lies as big as the man himself. I can’t even count how many cash raises there’s been since then.

This company was meant to emulate Ferrari. Since Feb 2020 AML has dropped 99% in share price value, while Ferrari has grown over 200%. And just look at Rolls Royce, LVMH etc. This is not a luxury market problem. This is an AML problem.

Let’s not delude ourselves. AML wasn’t a good investment in 2018, and it’s not a good investment now. Anyone ‘investing’ in AML for the long or short term is either taking a gamble or, making a donation.

BullishAML - Today @ 09:55 said: "C2645sg - Noticeable that PIF, Mercedes, Geely etc didn't get involved in this cash raise, Who do you think is part of the YEWTREE CONSORTIUM?? YOU KNOW DIDDLY SQUAT"

**FACT CHECK**

Well the members of the Yewtree consortium currently known as of 2023 are:

Yew Tree Overseas Limited (This is the entity that leads the consortium):  

*Saint James Invest SA

*J.C.B. Research  

*RRRR Investments LLC  

*FrancInvest Holding Corporation  

*John Idol  

*Omega Funds I Limited  

*ErsteAM Ltd  

*BDI Invest L.P.

In this case BullishAML, you know less than squat. How can you not do a simple Google search to save embarrassing yourself on a public forum; I don't know. *rolls eyes in cash raise and disappointment* LOL

How can Geely for instance, be part of Yewtree? When Geely was bidding against Yewtree to buy AML in 2020?????

You do know who PIF and Mercedes are right? *Shakes head in share dilution and despair* LOL

Countach - Yewtree is buying in because they want to maintain their holding percentage, so they don’t get diluted. I don’t think it’s because it’s Black Friday sale time and everyone thinks it’s a good sale price!

AML now has a market cap of about £881 million, which is far below the amount of debt that they actually owe. Just in case you didn’t know, that’s really really bad.

I remember the last cash raise in 2022, when the offering was £1.03 (I think). The share price over a period of days after gradually went down to 89p before retrieving ground. So don’t think necessarily that it won’t go down further from here.

Look, I’ll give flowers when they are due, I don’t hate you personally cos I don’t even know who you are. LOL

You haven’t saved me any money cos I don’t take personal advice from randoms online. Due to my own decision I predict I would have lost the thick end of £24k if I had held onto Aston Martin. Since I invested that money plus profits in Nvidia and AMD in Oct 2023 you can imagine I’ve made tens of thousands in this time. It’s even tempted me to buy another house in the Caribbean, the yield from holiday lets would be again favourable compared to investing in AML.

But your forecast of a cash raise this year is correct. And I give you your flowers for that reason.

Hate him or hate him, c2645sg absolutely called it months and months ago. Most on this board called him a joke, a clown a broken record who only came out when the stock price was down. Well lads, who is laughing now?

A broken clock can be right twice in a day, but many doubted a cash raise was needed. Many said the cars left on the forecourts around the world were nothing to be worried about. But here we are AGAIN, cash raise time, to stay afloat. Not only that, the EBITDA forecast has been dropped again too. Remember this?:

2023: “We remain on our way to achieving our target of c.10,000 wholesales, aligned with our ultra-luxury

strategy. In addition, we are well on track to deliver our medium-term financial targets of c.£2bn revenue

and c.£500m adjusted EBITDA in 2024/25.”

Total BS, how can your target which you set since 2020 get turned on its head just over a year later?

I sold out because I loft faith in Stroll’s “we’re fully financed” quote:

Oct 4th 2023 - ‘Executive Chairman Lawrence Stroll says the British luxury-car maker needs no new funding “whatsoever” to compete with Ferrari and other elite brands. ‘

I will look for opportunities to short tomorrow because sonmeone’s gotta make money from this expected news.

JBCo: "This continues to hold 100p!"

That's NOT an achievement to be proud of!

Jeez, you guys have a lot of time! Endless back and forth.

Look, at a price of 108p barely anyone here holding an AML share is in profit. So there must be a lot of people here who are annoyed. A little concerned perhaps, definitely not happy. Maybe some of you are looking for answers, looking for some hope, or someone to vent anger, disappointment etc. against. It's all happening here. There are a few non/ ex investors here who are literally on the sidelines, eating popcorn & watching it all unfold. It's all happening here.

I honestly think, instead of arguing here everyday about what 'so and so' said 'way back when', we should all just call a spade a spade; AML stock is not a good pick.

Think of when you bought your AML share(s), now think if you'd bought RACE instead at the same time, how much better off you'd be? RACE is who AML is trying to emulate - but financially it's not working for AML. So you have a choice, cut losses and invest in something else, or come on here and join into the circus. For the rest of us watching, the popcorn seems to be included for free! ;)

I think Geely has the option to up their stake as does YewTree, and I’m pretty sure they’ll snap up a boat-load of new shares under £1. Diluting existing shareholders once again, still think you’re gonna see 200p-300p again? It’s just disappointing.

Why would Hallmark come over? Didn’t we say the same about Tobias after Mercedes upped their stake in Aston Martin back in 2020/2021? Not trying to be negative, I was also not an overnight investor, I was a long timer. And what you say sounds awfully like what I was thinking back in 2021. All I’m saying is be careful, all is not as it seems with AML.

Look, I sold between 380p-300p in 2023. Why? Because I lost trust in Stroll. The guy gets up and says everything is fine. Then next thing you know there’s some contradictory bad news comes out and the share price tanks. Oh look it’s 2024, and the same thing has happened again.

I'm on FT. but I'm not Strider that's for sure!

I'm not agreeing with you c2645sg, I'm just commenting on the news and recapping on what I've said before.

Woke up to the news of this on the AML shareholders facebook page. As an ex-investor in Aston Martin, I can't say I'm surprised. This is what I said back in 1st Nov 2023:

"Aston Martin needs to execute perfectly and hit all targets. Any mishap whether internal or external affecting the business will quickly and negatively impact the share price."

Sounds so obvious doesn't it? Yet here we are - far from perfect. Long way from perfect in fact. I sold back in August 2023 because I didn't believe the 500m EBITDA and free cash flow by 2024/25 story, I didn't believe in the lofty £7 price targets from Stroll and I didn't believe AML was 'fully financed' as Stroll put it to us . There is always 'something that comes up' with Aston Martin. Doesn't matter who is steering the ship, it's endemic within the business and the way it operates.

Forecast breakeven date pushed back to 2026

The 9 analysts covering Aston Martin Lagonda Global Holdings previously expected the company to break even in 2025.

*New consensus forecast suggests losses will reduce by 85% per year to 2025.

*The company is expected to make a profit of UK£78.6m in 2026.

*Average annual earnings growth of 81% is required to achieve expected profit on schedule.

Source: Simply WallSt

Does anyone else have sources confirming or disproving this?

I come back every so often to see what people are saying about the stock; and nothings changed. C2465sg being told he’s a negative person, who chats rubbish/ misinformation. Some weird guy who writes terrible English and says he hears rumours from some pub. Other posters just putting up links to stories online and asking what it all means.

The fact is when I first bought into AML the stock was 50p, then it went up to over £1 and change, the 20:1 consolidation brought that to £21-£22 back in 2020-2021. Then the share price bleeds out for years after and now it’s back to about £1 and change. Any retail shareholder who bought any shares since this went public and is still holding them is in some serious red right now. Yet no one is asking - “how has this happened? Why as investors, is the SP declining year over year?” Just because e.g. Geely and others bought at £3.71 doesn’t make this a good investment imo. I sold in the £3.40 stage last August at a profit and since then invested in AMD & Nvidia and couldn’t be happier. The question here really is, are you happy with your investment in AML so far? If you had bought Ferrari stock at the start of this year (heck even in the past 2 weeks) you’d be in a way better position as a LTH than you ‘d be in AML, which is “trying” to emulate Ferrari.

I just think it would take some miracle to get this to the ‘magical’ £7+ a share Stroll once talked of in an interview.

Not often I listen or agree on anything C2645sg says, but I have to agree here, as an ex AML investor - watching from the sidelines. The fact is the AML SP has not performed well since 2021, we've gone from circa £20 to £1.60. Whatever your opinion on the brand or the products, the SP is not a pretty chart to look at.

The fact of the matter is, if you bought a share in AML in the past 6, 12,18 or 36 months, you're down quite significantly on your investment. The SP is basically in a holding pattern until the company starts printing profits and erasing debt. Getting excited about new CEOs, new store openings, how many shares XYZ holds etc. are just distractions from the real task at hand.