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It's a matter of trusting people. When it comes to directors, zero trust is appropriate. Best to draw your own conclusions about the business etc. Example # GEC was a mainstay of industry under Weinstock. New CE, wow we will buy US comms company ; 6 months later discover revenue non existent, GEC goes bust due to debts to buy US, Shareholders lose everything. And this was a top UK company with a new wizz kid CE.

I was replying to the previous post, where somebody has posted a podcast , and somewhat similar to the 'bullish statements' refered to below. All this is to persuade investors. So if you listen to the pope long enough you will become Catholic. My point is that it is better to ignore the verbiage and do your own analysis of future discounted cash flow if you want to have any idea if the share price is appropriate.

Happily it seems to have got into a positive mode. I don't really know why. I suppose defence , Russians, etc. Tho that is an old story

If you base your decisions on what the director said, you are living in a fantasy world.

Try answering this question

If you had no idea what the share price was, and somebody asked you whait it should be, you would have no idea whatsoever.

Why ? Because you are not inputting the balance sheet, p and l and forecasts into a model and working out the discounted cash flow and other parameters.

Why not admit you have not a clue, instead of pretending you are a director.

Sorroy i am indeed being a bit rude. But I feel strongly you are wasting your time and deluding yourselves/

I starting to think it is more linked to nasdaq than ftse. Is it viewed as us tech sort of, as sell a over there I think. Nasdaq well up today

Well if it stays there till close ( fingers crossed the way this thing moves ) not bad at all. Can afford a second latte tonight

Put it this way : there are a million investments in the world - why choose one where there is 'doubt' about what a director said or didn't say about management or so-called 'consultants' ?

And if you think he deliberately avoided saying something that reasonably should have been said, it is time to run

'And Gillespie avoided saying how long Maxcroft's husband & wife owners would stay on as consultants. But for now, I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt,'

What do you mean ? What is the risk ? Is there a hint of dodgy practice ? I certainly dont want relatives vaguely floating in and out. Problematic for management competence, but more importantly, dodgy practices.

Anyhow I assume we are all happy bunnies as sp has done good. Here's to recession and everybody flogging family heirlooms. Might pay for my holiday. See you on the beach

I keep getting accused of having a secret agenda. I think i should clarify i don't really care much about HAT, even tho i have a few shares. Essentially, i am trying to establish whether in holding a specific share, things are loaded against you. I am inclined to buy ETFs rather than individual shares, especially having seen most of the comments here, which to me have no logic / analytical basis , and to me show people are speculating

En passant, I note that at 11 30 the price has spiked 3.3% , yet I thought the presentation is at 12 00. So what is going on ? Maybe presentation earlier, but not reported yet - I have carefully checked the internet. Of is it insider trading, or a leak ? Sad that retail investors are effectively getting ripped off , but I think that is the situation.

Thanks. I probably need to think about it. I still don't really see why there are not hedge funds and city traders with mega computers who can feed the results into a model in 30 minutes, and are then prepared to buy up to a certain price, so that it is all settled in one day. But if you are saying this is not the case and it takes days or weeks for brokers and professionals to come to a conclusion, then I accept your explanation. Anyhow I gather some presentation tomorrow so interesting to see if that changes things. Of course it is not purely numbers it is confidence in management and so forth. But I would have thought a good computer model could factorise that in. Anyhow if AI hits, presumably things are gonna change

Thanks about brokers. Yes I can't see anybody buying simply because a broker says 'buy'. It needs an explanation according to his model of what the price should be.

Tradeable - i thought about it - I think it means there is a mean or avergae price somebody has calculated. The stock is small and seldom traded, so the price paid is often way out from the mean or average. So it is possible for somebody to buy when it is inexplicably and meaninglessly low, and vice versa. The theory, anyway.

I suppose I do similar but with ETFs. For example, Japanese bonds are at a multi year low, for no reason except faffing around by the central bank. It seems obvious they will rise over time ( in my view ) . But it is not some massively intelligent analysis of what a japanerse bond is worth, it is essentially a form of chartism.

Somebody said this is eminently tradeable. I think reference charts. Well the charts were terrible, as he agreed. Then 14 percent rise in 2 days. I do not really know whether his idea of tradeable was purely on charts or more complex. If he cares to explain what he means by tradeable I would be interested

Anyhow another 4 percent this morning so infers takes time for reaction. That infers a retail investor has an opportunity on day 1. But not convinced a retail investor can analyse a p and l and balance sheet and understand it in one day. In short, I think there is no trading opportunity. Only the long term view counts

Hardboy : You say professionals 'give their verdict'. So is there a easy source on the internet of all broker's recommendations ? You seem to be suggesting these are visible after a few days. Where ? Or do you just mean that following the trades you can see bigger trades that denote they are buying ? Is it possible to detect WHO is buying ? In terms of institutions. I realise us retail investors can not be identified.

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Increase increased from 5% to 10% in 4 hours. Suggests to me that it takes time, a few hours, for the news to be assessed.

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