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Even with everything going to hell all around us most on here still don't understand, or so it would seem (or should that be refuse to accept perhaps?) that not only is the threat of this strike very real but also the devastating effect it will have on the companies near to midterm fortunes...or considerably longer even.
If this escalates from what might be a series of "one shift per day - once a week " type strike action into a full-blown "all out together" strike, then I can assure each one of you...we will all be sat next to our T.Vs and laptops with our heads in our hands.
And it could get worse...a lot, lot worse. By then it would be a very intense situation indeed. Each side has powerful and persuasive demagogues to turn to; not least of all Rico Back and Terry Pullinger who are more than capable of issuing not just persuasive arguments or veiled threats but indeed the most vivid of out and out "Armageddon scenarios". Thus ensuring of course a greater stoking of the flames of what would undoubtedly turn into something nothing short of a roaring inferno. This could quite easily turn into a really, really desperate "fight-to-the death", "winner-takes-all" type contest of the most appalling kind...there would be no prize for second place in this fight. Just as Terry Pullinger recently quoted: "you might win, Rico...but we will be the best second you ever saw".
He was not just blowing wind when he made this comment or posturing in front of the camera to try and bolster up CWU membership support (as if he needed to) he was stating a FACT!! That fact being: if you (Royal Mail) are totally intent in attempting to completely change the structure of RMG without our general consensus, and in the process put thousands of people out of work...then we will fight tooth and claw to the finish.
A most horrible thought!! I shudder at the prospect...I truly do. And one final thought if I might. If it does go down the terrible road of full blown industrial action, and if the posties are, one by one, forced back to work by say...irate and enraged spouses, empty bank accounts, empty fridges...so on and so forth, what sort of working relationships would you then have within and throughout that workforce? Not just between the managers and their staff on the floor, but, more importantly, between the posties themselves? The aftermath of a fractured and vicious strike, putting aside the disastrous financial consequences for the company, as the posties returned to work piecemeal would be too awful to envision. Any comradeship, cohesion, and respect that formerly existed inside closely knit working units would be gone....and gone forever. And that is something that could take a generation or more to fix. What price this stock then I ask?
I'm sorry but we ain't in the 60s now that's ain't going to happen. All out strike for weeks on end no matter what you say when members start losing money and see the business on its knees they will see a job is better than no job. RMG ain't asking for the world they are asking for there staff to change to ensure the business survives. It's common sense give the cwu a carrot and all will be well.
Quinny, your 13:23 post states "All out strike for weeks on end no matter what you say".
South Western Railway were on strike for 27 days during December 2019.
Quinny, your earlier post today stated "I'm sorry but we ain't in the 60s now that's ain't going to happen. All out strike for weeks on end no matter what you say when members start losing money and see the business on its knees they will see a job is better than no job".
South West Trains staff were on strike for 27 days during December 2019 and crippled the service to London.
You are also forgetting that 47% of RM staff are over 50 with mortgages paid for, more disposable income and more savings and could afford to take industrial action plus most have been in the business for many years and have seen this before.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of industrial action before the end of the financial year. If the CWU plan and target certain shifts or groups of employees correctly, the effect could be spectacular. It would be even more effective to call for industrial action, wait for RM to take on agency staff in advance (with guaranteed hours) then call the action off at the last moment. This would cost the business a substantial amount plus all the managers that were drafted in as extra cover would be all over the place.
Alan, a 4 days per week USO for letters might be okay, but that won't work for parcels. If anything this area of the business needs to be expanded to 7 days a week.
On the subject of 7 day working, my manager has intimated that we may need to adjust our shifts in order to accommodate Saturday and Sunday night working so that we can go 24/7. This will mean taking in more staff which will put a dent in the bottom line!
Parcels will in all likelihood become a 7 day a week service; I believe RM want to maximise parcel delivery.
The USO - Universal Service Obligation - is just that - an obligation - it won't mean Royal Mail wouldn't be able to deliver 6 days a week if USO is cut to 5 - christmas, elections, high peak traffic: they could still deliver 6 times a week.
IMO
With a 7 day a week parcel delivery service and a 5 day a week USO how can any other company clean up ?
Not disagreeing with you Derek - interested in your thoughts.
I never used the term obsolete and am not advocating a 4 day service.
A monday - friday letter delivering service makes sense to me.
I was thinking tuesday but business may still want a service through the week.
Saturday mail pushed through to monday and tuesday for 2nd class and DSA could mitigate the light tuesdays.
DerekR, both of us were responding to an earlier comment from alaninvestor regarding a 4day week USO.
"There is no comparison here between SET and Royal mail as the postal service is near enough obsolete now. Will the general public notice the strike, really! Of course not, many associate this with no junk mail etc. 4 days a week should be the USO".
I don't think that he has ever worked for RM or has much knowledge of the internal workings of RM which doesn't help!