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Could 'immunity passports' work?
It is a concept that would have been unthinkable months ago - but it is something some governments around the world are now considering.
We are talking about "immunity passports" - a document that would certify that you have had coronavirus and will not carry or contract the disease again. This could potentially open a way out of lockdown restrictions for the holder.
But will it create a niche group of antibody-carrying people that can date, travel and work as they wish - while others are still limited by health precautions?
One psychology professor says such a concept could create "a mutli-tier society and increase levels of discrimination and inequity".
From BBC news
Game changer
End game will at some point be a mobile (cloud-based) statement of your health . Big bro etc. Covid-19 exit-handling will be a step on that direction.
'Immunity Passports' are unlikely to work... as the emerging evidence is that any immunity appears is short-lived. There's no way (at present) of telling how long someone's immunity will last.
The only real way out of this will be containment, followed by widespread testing and vaccination. The latter is some time off.
Regulator that is not correct at all
the antibodies in asymptomatic drops in a few after 3 months , but in symptomatic it is still present after 3 months in almost every case. the reason we can not say it lasts a year is because the virus has only been around in big numbers in Euroep since March , it takes 3 weeks to develop antibodies , so the antibodies have not been around for longer than 3 months.
In a few months studies wil show antibodies will give you immunity for 6 months and then by xams the studies are likely to say antibodies drop off in some at 9 months and hence you need retesting for antibodies
Much better than an Immunity Passport - which yes could be something we use too. But assuming most haven't had Covid so wouldn't have immunity - even better
A lateral flow (quick) test at port of entry (ANTIGEN) to see if you have it. Or even better what about at the port of exit - don't get on the plane in the first place infecting others if you have it
And that dear friends is the next thing we will (hopefully) be manufacturing - and that is HUGE
Sorry - but I'm going on the peer-reviewed clinical evidence.
For an 'immunity passport' to be effective, you would have to be able to demonstrate that prior infection consistently produced long-term immunity. The evidence to date doesn't support that and suggests that any immunity is short-lived - a matter of months, rather than years or lifetime.
I sort of agree - but what better way to test Immunity - than for a cheap mass test. See who has antibodies and then see who gets infected again who has previously tested positive for antibodies - which would over time give the answer. Regular mass testing would help incase people were not showing symptoms
Or do what ODX are doing and cover all bases and as per what i wrote earlier (this instead or even in addition to)
Much better than an Immunity Passport - which yes could be something we use too. But assuming most haven't had Covid so wouldn't have immunity - even better
A lateral flow (quick) test at port of entry (ANTIGEN) to see if you have it. Or even better what about at the port of exit - don't get on the plane in the first place infecting others if you have it
And that dear friends is the next thing we will (hopefully) be manufacturing - and that is HUGE
Regulator, we're all going by peer reviewed clinical evidence. No-one can say categorically that antibodies for this virus will last for a very long time but neither can they say they won't. The disease hasn't been around long, that's why we can't be defenite. Scientists think that it will give some level of immunity because every other simila virus creates antibodies in survivors which can give immunity for anything from 3 months (common cold) to 1-2 years plus (SARs and MERs). Some people who got the Spanish flu are thought to have lifelong immunity. We are still learning about it.
And cheap and quick antibody testing is not only the way to see how far the virus may have gone but to start to answer questions on how effective antibdoies are and how long they last . This is the best and easiest way to get that answer - and to repeat tests incase people havent shown symtoms
Ooooo yes - thats what we are to produce - a lateral flow POC for Antibodies