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Very interesting post Strow. You could understand why La Mancha does not want to see another Brazilian nickel mine. Neither do I! I agree with wasarunner, the banks and Orion/La Mancha are in so deep they have to see this through. I think it would be difficult for the company to persuade shareholders to waive pre-emption rights although the AIm rules are limited and the company could seek to push through an emergency placement to Orion/La Mancha/Glencor, which at 20p is going to be highly dilutive but not absolutely terminal for pi's. Obviously the shares would never recover to pre-crash levels however a year or two could see 30p to 50p depending on the nickel price and depending on there being no more overruns. My forecast is based on the old NPV numbers less the increased debt, maybe increased royalties depending on the structure, the range depending also on the pricing and size of the raise. A rights issue at 20p underwritten by La Mancha/Orion would make life interesting? As wasarunner said, the debt needs to hear the equity and the equity needs to hear the debt, some negotiation that is going to be!
When a company is in a financial difficulty are they asking Investors or Creditors for more money?
Let's see what they come up with but nothing is ever guaranteed.
Did you guys see this ?
Was posted on ADVFN
https://lamancharesourcecapital.com/wp-content/uploads/Termination-Announcement-PR-20230929-VF-1.pdf
Shows money is potentially available even from 2 of our cornerstones
Just depends whether they want to use it or not
Bebeto, this might be true but here we aren't talking about about firat tranche financing on a go/no go decision to build a mine. If we were, Horizonte might today struggle to raise the $630m or $700m required to get the project off the ground (the amount they already raised).
No we are talking about Orion and La Mancha saving their existing $200-250m invedtment to date, and completing a mine which might already be c. 75% built. I would say the odds of Horizonte not being able to finance the rest are minimal, however, the million dollar question remains what does that do to (our) existing equity.....
It's immensely difficult to raise funding in this climate for the majority of companies out there, it will be a narrow spectrum of potential offers to raise what's required but we will have to wait and see.
I'm on the sidelines waiting to what the developments are before committing to invest.
It is a disadvantage at the moment that Horizonte have to solve this problem and only have Araguaia to play with. The obvious solution here would be to sell something of Vermelho to help get this funding sorted but it isn't worth anything yet, or rather, it isn't worth anything like it could be worth so that makes no economic sense right now. It's always the big risk with a junior developing its first mine that the options are very limited if it runs into cost issue and it has to be solved with current shareholders.
Hi Strow - maybe 40% of my shares are in SIPP and I turn 50 will be able to access the money in around 7 years. That is my timeframe (from now) on that portion of the investment and like you, I envisaged dividends, further mine development (Vermelho) etc.etc. It was always my intention to hold some of these stocks through the energy transition because, in time, we obviously hope nickel $25k/t and $30k/t and not the current pricing.
Right now this is a big setback but we should (and I say should as I don't know the $ needed or the precise options available to get them) get through it and the investment will still be worth, hopefully, a lot more than we paid for it. When the news broke I decided I can absolutely live with 50% of my envisaged return, and if it is 33% then so be it. For reference my goals were around £4.50 with Araguaia 2 producing which for me was my first planned exit point. Of course, if Horizonte delivers vermelho that should all add to the eventual valuation. Now for me 50% looks like ~£2+ and 33% looks like £1.50. For the SIPP and if we stay independent I hope for more but still feel a T/O somewhere around A1 producing is more likely.
My estimates may be pessimistic or optimistic we don't know until we see the finance package. But I do think this latest setback could have halved the eventual value of this investment, which is a shame, but it happens.
If I'm even remotely right though 16p is the bargain of the century to be buying though. GLA
Thanks guys
Very honest
I too never predicted this-It was almost impossible and I don’t set stop losses anymore after poor experiences with spread betting in the past.
I have for me a very significant amount of my portfolio in Horizonte and have held a long time.
For me it’s honestly an investment for my children so really long term and am planning to see it out to the end.Never ever thought we would see the equivalent of less than 1p.
It is priced to go bust when actually that is probably only a very remote possibility now.
I was lucky enough to persuade my wife to let me take a punt at this level and I have had to be honest with her about the devastation wreaked as it was obvious.
The gambler in me wants to buy more now but my guess is the price won’t gap up too badly at least initially on the announcement so I am having to sit on my hands very frustrated and wait.
As I said on the other thread there are always problems in mining-it’s about how they are solved and overcome in the most timely and economical way for all concerned.
I do believe in the management but lessons will I’m sure have been learnt which will make them stronger and more savvy going fowards.
I am also very excited about Vermelho despite the fact that no one wants to talk about it right now-roll on the bfs announcement there-very interested in the ideas that will be presented.
Horizonte has to be seen as a true long term investment imv and the potential is still enormous.
Good luck all,hopefully not too much longer to wait.
As a long term investor I invested here way back when it was considered an explorer before the main financial deals were struck. My investment strategy was buy then sit on my hands and wait until I got an income from the dividends riding the peaks and troughs. I didn’t think there would have been a trough this deep. I can only say it hurts badly at the moment. I have questioned my strategy and in hindsight it may look flawed due the the deep trough, however, I don’t believe it was. Some may say they predicted the crash. Good on them! The mine will be built, it’s just that I won’t get as bigger payouts as I’d hoped for.
Would I invest here now?
Well YES!
Why?
I’d invested here before the main financial deal because I believed, so why shouldn’t I invest now when the mine if 70% built and I can get in far cheaper. It’s actually far less risky now than when I bought originally.
Strow yes.I expect it impacts debt payback. But - they will be talking to the banks and negotiating that part for sure. It isn't lost from the npv but it does impact medium term cashflow.
Fwiw I think it will get financed at some dilution - exactly what remains to be seen but 16p is ridiculous imo and will not be the sp for long after finance.
Tricky Dicky
It was my post of 3rd October (19.30) about the RNS photos showing visual lack of progress.
If you revisit my post you will find that it was highlighting lack of visual signs of progress on piping, conveyors and E&I. As for my O&G industry friend he is a construction manager so is very hands on in the field at job sites and his experience was for onshore based plants and so reasonably comparable to the HZM onshore facility.
Welcome Strow,
The reality is on the funding gap is that firstly we don't know the exact figure and can only go off what the company has indicated with it's 'at least 35% of capex'.
If they had added the phrase 'half of which could come from existing resources' then we wouldn't be speculating about it, but they didn't so we are. Past experience of raises suggests they have generally been bigger as the banks and cornerstones demand additional contingency. You would like to think this is exactly what that contingency is for though so who knows?
Secondly they have us an indication in the last RNS on the some of the sources of cost:
'Electromechanical (EM) assembly: increased equipment and materials quantities have resulted from the completion of the critical detailed engineering, and the shift of more EM activities into the wet season given the expected delay to 3Q-2024. This represents a significant percentage of the cost increase given the lower productivity in the wet season and increased quantities'
The last RNS was rich in details but still didn't finalise the figure needed. Like Wasa I am expecting in the region of $200m anything less will be a pleasant surprise, anything more will be disappointing. I'm also hoping for a large part of the funding to not be equity at this ridiculous market price, if it is and everyone is painfully diluted then there will be a lot of disappointed cornerstones, institutions, and PIs.
Yes understand your point re hired crew but as you say that is not that significant.
The revenue is not lost in the total NPV of the project though right,It is just delayed.
So this would be just to satisfy timely payback of the senior debt to satisfy their drawdown schedule and enable it to continue ?
"expected increase in the overall Project capital requirement by at least 35% (from the current capex budget of US$537m)"
10% is $53.7m amd they want 3.5 times thst at least.
Strow welcome! These are my 2 reasons for believing the funding required is > $100m:
1. If it was less than $100m, it could have been funded in 1-2 weeks using a similar mechanism to the extra $80m raised in round 2 financing and nobody would have batted an eyelid - short term drop in SP to something like 80p from 120p then a recovery as we neared production.
2. The 6 month schedule delay at nameplate production is worth c. $130m (14.5kt x $18k/t / 2). Reaching nameplate production 6 months later, having built the mine and hired all the crew whilst it won't necessarily cost that much, it costs that much in lost revenue which was assumed in the model. I think this is a really significant cost and so the schedule delay cost could easily be 50% of the total extra funding required (on top of extra materials et al).
Just my 2 pence, I could be wrong, but I am expecting a figure ~$200m. As is the market or we wouldn't be at 17p.
I am new to this board having been an active member of HZM ADVFN board and a long term shareholder since the “gold days”.
I am fed up with the nonsense that is going on over there.
I would like thoughts please on my funding gap calculations.
It is clear as far as I can see from the last RNS that the funding gap even if a conservative 40% on current capex budget of $537m to $751.8m is used should be a maximum of $67m.
$429 m spent up till 30/09/23 with liquidity and cash resources of $253 which makes $682.
I just don’t get why figures such as $250m requirement are being banded around.
Surely worst worst case scenario based upon actual stated figures in RNS should be $100m if we still allow for the Vermelho contingency on top ?
Can anyone explain to me why that isn’t the case given it’s clearly stated there for all of us to see ?
We had some debate earlier this week about why bother with Brazil when Indonesia is causing a surplus in the Nickel market. Well...
https://www.mining.com/web/indonesias-high-grade-nickel-ore-reserves-may-be-depleted-in-6-years/
6 years until Indonesian high grade ore is depleted x and that high grade is 1.7%, HZM are mining 1.92% so far at Araguaia.
It's easy to think that Indonesia will just go find more ore sites, but it has already been pretty well explored and the easy to get at stuff is already starting to play out. That's part of the reason for Indonesia importing Ni ore from the Philippines now.
I reckon you are right billy and I agree we will get an update by the end of November which will hopefully encourage the SP to get back to fair value.
Toyota are on track for production of Solid State Batteries by the end of 2025 giving a minimum mileage range of 900 Miles , just in time for HZM ramp up of production!
Lots of nickel needed for them too 😊
FT volume today , still with challenges to overcome but it is looking promising. Target for mass production
is probable before 2030 if all goes well
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If the technology is successfully introduced, the impact could be dramatic. It would shake up the auto industry where sales of EVs and batteries are currently dominated by Tesla, and China’s BYD and CATL; it would have geopolitical implications given western anxiety about China’s current dominance of batteries and their raw materials; and it could open up the application of batteries to new areas of transport such as aviation.
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Theorist,
With regard to the wet season comments, I know it hasn't started yet, but any over run on the project, like what we now have, would cross over into it. In particular, and related to TDTs comments is the paragraph below from the latest update:
Electromechanical (EM) assembly: increased equipment and materials quantities have resulted from the completion of the critical detailed engineering, and the shift of more EM activities into the wet season given the expected delay to 3Q-2024. This represents a significant percentage of the cost increase given the lower productivity in the wet season and increased quantities.
This seems like a major source of the cost increase and definitely the time delay, more so than in the RNS of the 2nd. The latest release feels like they have a better handle on what's going on.
Anyway the root cause is all a bit moot for us lot, everything depends on if there is a sensible finance deal and what it means for all investors. The waiting is excruciating, hopefully tensions on here don't start to reflect that.
No problem TDT, it looked like your comment was directed at me and my post was tongue in cheek as there have been so many ridiculous comparisons, all of which have been disproved and now a photograph 🙈🤷♀️
I believe you so no need to qualify.
Have a great weekend
I'm well aware of the contents of previous posts. My post was directed at Theorist and was quite specific. I'm not aware of any other "comparison" being made in any subsequent poster.
The issue is quite simple. A previous poster said a project manager in the offshore O&G industry he was friends with looked at photographs of Araguaia and implied that progress figures quoted by the company didn't align with what he was seeing. He quoted electrical as the one discipline that would take a long time and that it didn't look like it had started. I can tell you, from personal experience, that EI&T in the offshore oil and gas industry is far more involved, time consuming and costly than anything Araguaia will be involved in. A PM in O&G will have an entirely different perspective on EI&T.
That's what the original post was about. If you require proof let me know and I'll post a few photographs of EI&T being installed in the last top side I was involved in building. That might give you a better idea of what it entails.
TDT
It was a joke TDT …… maybe you haven’t kept up with all the ridiculous comparisons being spouted here !!