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LBG posted a flurry of posts on 5th May 2017 presenting the strength of the investment case here: "Gone Group positive now in weaker time of year and expect to be remaining group EBITDA positive for the whole of 2017 for first time. Still a tough year ahead, but the progress is fantastic, showing progress on each RNS update. The SP should imo rerate then consolidate and rerate again." ...then on 7th May 2017: "Good luck to everyone here. Ive decided to sell up to invest else where." Sold up with a comprehensive deramp dismantling the investment case he/she presented two days earlier. This says it all about your modus operandi LBG and now you come here with your 'balanced' perspective, get a grip mate!
jeez, you just don't get it mr innocent, "my only mistake"! get a grip of yourself. If you have no interest in investing here then jog along rather than policing 'rampers'. I'm sure you can find something better to do in life, maybe go for a walk, meet some people, you get my drift. Hydrodec is undervalued here against net assets alone. There is tremendous potential to propel the SP further and yes it is only potential at this stage but that's what AIM investing is all about. You look for quality stocks and story lines, nothing is nailed on and I don't claim it to be. As for the rampers, they are just as bad as you. Next time make your mind up, don't ramp like a maniac when you're dumping and you'll earn some respect.
Obviously not that transparent as you seem to not grasp that I’m not in and have no intention to be in unless I see the company start to make serious profit or as they hinted, find other ways of making money. Have you considered why Chris Ellis suggested looking for other forms of revenues. It could be just to diversify the company or simple because they can not make enough cash from transformer oil due to lack of feed stock. My only mistake I made was being honest and informing people here I had sold. At least I said why. Unlike the rampers on this board. Gl and atb
LBG, what a bunch of cods wallop. I don't have an issue with a bear case or negative opinion provided it's a balanced and objective perspective. You are an agenda driven deramper and proved it last year with your dirty selling tactics. You were happy to ramp away on 'facts' and sell straight into it, the very next day those facts were dumped and you turned into a one-sided commentator. HYR has plenty good going for it and revenue is not the only metric which you can use to measure valuation. 4 years ago it had lots going for it until the oil price crashed, canton went up in flames, etc, the company could've and should've gone bust but they responded with resilience. The risk reward with oil at $60 is not the same as when oil was at $120. Risk reward at sub 2p is attractive on many levels. there is plenty of shite on AIM you could be having a swipe at but your style and tactics here are far too transparent.
So it’s not ok to voice a negative opinion once in a blue moon but it’s ok for certain people to make blatant one sentence ramps that do not discuss any merits. Just saying “this will be double figures” etc is not on imo. At least I’m counter acting these ramps with some facts. There are a lot of positives to HYR but fact is, unless something changes, it does still not make any profit. As for my trades, try not to guess what someone else does as that’s just pure speculation. I’m not in, I mention a while ago when I sold. I’ve no intention atm to buy in again until I see some news which will change the fortunes of HYR. I’m sorry you don’t like to hear something negative but I have always posted negatives about the company as well as positives. As I have always posted whether I’ve bought or sold. Yes the company is very good at not diluting the shares. The last dilution was about 4 years ago or so at about 11p. Everything looked very rosy then and HYR was on the cusp of making profit as it always seems to be to this day.
I wouldn’t read too much into the drop atm. It’s more to do with greater exposure to the US and market correction.
would be helpful but unlikely in the near term, is the banning of waste oil burning, e.g. ends up as bunker fuel etc, or in the many small burners across the country. It wont be a policy shift but there should still be enough of a general trend away from that. The export across the border exacerbates things, with the particularly cold weather also adding to the situation. I'm hoping this should ease off, and there is no reason why they can't get another closed loop deal.
LBG you are a shameless individual. You were caught last year ramping this to death on 'nothing' and then sold out the next day. You then changed your tune and deramped. I'm sure you got yourself an attractive entry hence your silence into the latest rise. Now that you've taken profits you will talk this down with the same old rubbish until you get your buy in. I respect good objective debate but not blatant agenda driven deramping. You mention debt, it would be useful to mention the net asset value against current capitilisation. You also disregard the work the bod has done to bring the company back from death in an environment which saw the oil price collapse. They diluted zilch in the process in which was a potentially company breaking period. Now that WTI is recovering and we are EBITDA positive the company has a bright future, it's not as binary a picture as you paint
All of the feedstock is currently being used as a cheap feedstock for adding into Gas Oil. If you can get your hands on the used transformer oil then add 10-20% of it into gas oil, then sell your gas oil 1 pence per litre cheaper than everyone else and hey presto you will make a fortune.
People love to ramp .why christ knws sp down big .same xtr ramp ramp ramp sp at lows dropping every day
HYR's BoD have repeatedly cautioned that feedstock remains difficult to source. Without feedstock they can't produce at sufficient scale to move beyond the current status quo... and there are only so many costs that can be cut, after all. Lego has always provided some of the best and most coherent comments about HYR. Stuff was available here (if you looked for it) and certainly in the company's own reports. It's a shame if you were seduced by the rampers' drivel. But anyone suggesting that any stock is a sure-fire, one-way only bet ought be treated with extreme caution. Better luck next time. BTW - If you can shed light on why feedstock is so elusive, please do let me know. Thanks.
i didnt even post on here - i just read the rampy posts and bought in. I did not see even 1 negative post on this BB.
Whenever anything appeared that didn't suit the rampers' agenda, we were castigated as trolls. The quality of input deteriorated to such an extent that I for one gave up. Where exactly were you during this period? Or is your recent comment representative of your likely contribution?
legobrickgirl is probably a guy. where the F were you lot when this was being ramped to high heaven now you turn up.
Great summary, legobrickgirl. Either HYR needs to sell its way into true profitability (which requires readily available supplies of feedstock) or get purchased. BTW - can you offer any insight into "why" feedstock is so, so hard to obtain at a viable price? Is it the logistical nightmare of collecting it in sufficient quantities that makes it so hard? Or are there competitive recycling companies / processes that also vie for limited supplies? Or something else? Thanks - more in hope than expectation
Oversold? Best shape possible? Multi-bagger? These are just a few of the comments made here. I'd like to disagree with the comment of hyr being in the best shape in its history. I think hyr was in its best shape 4 years ago or so. Before the earthquake in Japan which ended hyr business there. Before the fire at Canton which put the company behind and in financial difficulty even though covered by insurance. And before the Oil price crash which put hyr in even more trouble forcing it to give away OSS and ending a crucial base for Europe and helping the feedstock shortage. So, people keep saying this is oversold, under valued, but here are the facts why it is not rocketing: HYR has approx �20 million of Debt HYR has a low cash facility. HYR is still loss making besides the shouts of "EDBITA positive" HYR main source of revenue depends on getting feed stock to make its products and for the last 2 years the company has been warning that it struggles to get the feed stock. So if hyr cant get enough feed stock, how will it make enough products to make an actual profit? HYR needs to find more feed stock to increase production and then it will be ok. If not, the best hope would be to have a buyout. The other option, which Chris has pointed at is finding another line of business. This share is not all its ramped up to be any more. It is a big gamble imo. My personal view would be to hold on and see what gets reported in the future. Something has to change for hyr to progress. atb to everyone holding here.
******* i n pi s s ed off
Will be better IMO, the drop was totally overdone! Recent director buy @ 2.15p plus options available if SP over 3p for 90 days expiring at the end of the year! Onwards & upwards...
Buyers coming back into HYR after that overdone drop after good news, I've just topped up 125k @ 1.8875p. Expecting a run up to 2.5 over the next week or so! GLA BD
The clean climate/energy focused investors/funds would eventually become significant shareholders in companies like HYR. Buy right, sit tight....... https://insideclimatenews.org/news/01022018/new-york-pension-fund-doubles-climate-investment-investors-risk-summit
Lets hope your right .been down every day .lately.
hl wont let me buy...strange as sp is falling
I'm in today chaps, at 1.94. Looks a little oversold. I've read the results and they don't seem too bad. Why has this fallen so much, any ideas?
In about 2-5 years, this would attract all sort of clean energy/carbon neutral based institutional investors...the prices that we see doesn't reflect the significant operational obstacles that have been sorted.....added some more to my hyr position.