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taskmaster,
The mini Nuclear Reactors from RR, they have said that these will not be ready for deployment for 10 years, and that link you posted confirms it with 2031 at the earliest. Now add that well run projects take twice as long and badly run projects take three times as long, now we are looking at 2041 or 2051.
Even by 2031 the UK will have masses of wind and solar power, and these mini Nuclear Reactors will end up on the shelf, or as an export technology.
French nuclear companies dumping radioactive waste in Siberia....
New satellite images from Seversk show thousands of barrels lying outdoors exposed to the elements.
https://www.greenpeace.org/eu-unit/issues/climate-energy/45879/french-nuclear-companies-exposed-dumping-radioactive-waste-siberia/
Haggis, ticking time bombs everywhere sadly, it's about keeping donors happy with BJ, same old story.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
And less on longer runs
My golf costs 10p per mile, all depends what you drive
taskmaster,
Only if Nuclear became 75% of UK power, which is not going to happen even with the ones under construction.
UK are targeting huge wind and solar power, with huge battery storage to balance it out. Nuclear is pretty much the ones being already built, I doubt any more will appear with BJ running the show.
mucksy,
Even if electric cost 50p/kw, as it does at some costly motorway services, it is still cheaper than using petrol or diesel. It will take a very long time for electric to go from 5p a mile to reach the cost of petrol or diesel at around 14p a mile, and in that time petrol and diesel will also go up in cost, especially as EV uptake increases in line with the expected hockey stick curve, reducing the economy of scale of petrol and diesel production, and reducing the availability of petrol and diesel as garages switch to EV charging. So it's very unlikely that any concerns about recharging costs will actually come to bear.
As for repairs, all the main dealers are getting their staff trained on EV repairs, and have been since each manufacturer brought in an EV model. Also, and the most important factor, is that EV's have very little to go wrong, and most of the things that go wrong are standard car issue that are not EV specific, such as steering, brakes, locks, windows, 12v ancillary battery, etc. There are so few moving EV parts (an electric motor that will last for 20 years) that there is very little to go wrong. This is another reason why EV's are so much better than combustion engines.
If you ask on the UK Facebook EV page, which has 12,000 members, you'll find that the vast majority haven't had any issues with the "EV only" part of their cars in many years of ownership, including me for 4 years, and all my friends that have EV's.
https://www.********************ukelectricvehicleowners
Nuclear will drive the price high for sure.
It maybe OK at the moment but I can't believe charging them will stay cheap for long ,also the problem with ev for at least the next few years will be the cost of service and repair ,very few people who specialise in this area and you can't just have anyone fiddling with the high voltage systems
13thmonkey
Great to hear you are getting decent efficiency on electric, especially considering that when running on electric the car is also moving the weight of the petrol engine and it's bits and pieces, and a potentially full tank of fuel. 5p/mile is great.
Haggis, agree, my PHEV costs about 5p/mile too on pure electric. On hybrid trips where the charge counts it'll be 70-150+mpg, on long trips where the initial charge is less important it'll be 55mpg, that's with a Skoda Superb Estate so not a small car. Compared to my 2.0D 5 2016 series that was managing 35mpg on runs where electric now does everything, 50-55 on long runs, but that was the best it could do, long trip to cornwall 55mpg, driving around in cornwall, 40mpg. PHEV is cheaper whichever type of driving I do.
Kmolloy101,
I'm not sure how you work out that €0.20/kWh is "being slaughtered"?
Take an example of a petrol car doing 50mpg, which is pretty much the norm these days for cars similar in performance to a Zoe, Leaf, i3 etc.
1 UK gallon = 4.546090 litres
€1.69 * 4.546090 = €7.68
€7.68 / 50 = €0.1572 per mile.
An EV does 4 miles per kW (some cars (BMW i3) and/or careful driving will get you 5, flooring it all the time or driving at high speeds will get you 3, so using 4 as the average.)
€0.20 / 4 = €0.05 per mile
So for 10,000 miles per year, the petrol cost is €1,572 vs the EV at €500
Using reverse calculations, you would have to be paying €0.6288 per kWh just to be paying the same per year for electric as you are for petrol.
Using reverse calculations, to go the same distance in a petrol for the same cost as the EV, you would need to be getting 157.2mpg.
Therefore, your statement that "I have a phev and am getting slaughtered with electricity prices for charging it so been honest there is no difference to petrol." looks to me to be incorrect. I doubt your PHEV gets 50mpg and if you're not getting 4 miles per kWh from it then you either need to stop driving like a boy racer, or ditch the PHEV and get a proper EV.
I have a phev and am getting slaughtered with electricity prices for charging it so been honest there is no difference to petrol.
We are caught no matter what way we turn.
Price for petrol in Ireland is €1.69 and electricity is €0.20/kwh.
More pressure on people to move to EV's, especially big fleets (including those that can make use of AFC based EV Chargers) where the cost must be making the owners cry in their beer.
"Petrol prices nearing record high"
The RAC said the average price of a litre of petrol at UK forecourts has reached 140.22p.
Ministers have been urged to consider cutting VAT on fuel as petrol prices hit a nine-year high.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/vat-rac-petrol-prices-government-b960808.html
I can't see the Government cutting VAT on fuel when COP26 is only 2 weeks away, they would get slaughtered by the press and organisations like WHO, Greenpeace, Extinction Rebellion, etc.
Big fleets won't wait to see if fuel prices will drop, they will be rapidly working out how quickly they can replace as much of their fleets with EV's as they can. Those already on AFC's and ABB's client lists should be bringing forward their plans.