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Exactly my point you complete dullard
Poochu (I could have my name on the shirt if i paid them ) That’s right it’s called advertising Doh !
I could have my name on the shirt if I paid them. We don't have the budget to do a proper advertising job on this and arguably at this stage we don't need to. The money is not in FF+ it's in the new Chinese products that will hopefully be plastered everywhere creating huge sales and orders, by far dwarfing any potential FF+ sales.
Brentford had one match with FF logo on,
Hopefully they will have more or even other clubs may
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2021/january/fruitflow-omega-3-on-board-for-emirates-fa-cup-fourth-round-tie/&ved=2ahUKEwiKmMi0qqrvAhVcQ0EAHdkeAUoQFjAAegQIARAC&usg=AOvVaw1zYAH-u90AWZ1US0pAZk0K
According to this article they do still use Fruitflow but I doubt that you will ever see the FF logo on the shirts/equipment. DSM are the sponsors not FF.
https://www.sportnext.nl/sponsoring/team-dsm-koppelt-topsport-aan-duurzaamheid-en-innovatie/
No mention here either
https://annualreport.dsm.com/ar2020/case-studies/purpose-led-innovations-drive-team-performance.html
hi all read this today in the daily mail today
However, RNA viruses like SARS-CoV-2, which causes Covid-19, escape recognition by evading IFN.
The virus does this by forcing the body to make more of a chemical called prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) which inhibits IFN as well as causing the destruction of some white blood cells.
'As low-dose aspirin inhibits PGE2 biosynthesis, this mechanism might enhance anti-viral immunity via induction of type I IFN,' the researchers write.
I've just been watching the Paris-Nice cycle race. I see that DSM have taken over as the main sponsor of the previous Sunweb team. Sunweb were advocates of fruitflow for exercise induced inflammation reduction. I was hoping to see a large Fruitflow logo somewhere on their kit but couldn't see it anywhere do far unfortunately, anybody else seen it?
Here is the list of 27 categories of health function claims approved.
http://www.sfdachina.com/info/86-1.htm
but this could soon be 24
https://www.nutraingredients-asia.com/Article/2020/11/30/China-s-health-claims-update-SAMR-unveils-24-new-indications-for-public-consultation
DP64, I think you are reading to much into it. Perhaps "assisting blood lipid reduction" was not on the cards when it comes to Fruitflow and a Blue Cap health claim. Or maybe it will be in the future.
Unfortunately we have not been told what health claims By-Health are actually applying for for Fruitflow and until they get approval they can't launch a product with that claim.
I doubt there are any conflicts between By-Health, DSM or PXS.
gixer,
Thanks for the post. However I am very puzzled about the fact that after they did all these studies and spend a lots of money; they are now launching a new CVD product without FF. Does it mean a conflict arises between DSM and By Health about the control of PXS. If there is one then all the PIs should support By Health as we have seen the action of DSM in last 10years. If PXS was involved with BY Health in 10years back then we will be a totally different boat today. The sooner IF cleared the air regarding the matter the better it will be.
Just a reminder of some of the work By-Health has carried out on Fruitflow.
Water-soluble tomato extract improves platelet function in subjects with metabolic syndrome: a randomized clinical trail
Date of Registration:2020-12-02
http://www.chictr.org.cn/showprojen.aspx?proj=64530
Effect of combination of Fruitflow and aspirin on platelet function and endothelial cells
Date of Registration:2020-07-13
http://www.chictr.org.cn/showprojen.aspx?proj=56370
Human intervention study on dietary intake of water-soluble tomato extract
Date of Registration:2017-10-10
http://www.chictr.org.cn/showprojen.aspx?proj=22104
Effect of water-soluble tomato extract on hypercholesterolemia
Date of Registration:2018-04-27
http://www.chictr.org.cn/showprojen.aspx?proj=27052
Investigation of the Anti-hypertensive Role of Specific Plant Extracts in Hypertenison Patients
Date of Registration:2018-05-04
http://www.chictr.org.cn/showprojen.aspx?proj=27048
Publications
The water-soluble tomato concentrate Fruitflow inhibits its activation, aggregation and thrombosis by regulating the platelet PI3K/Akt and MAPKs signaling pathways
http://www.cnki.com.cn/Article/CJFDTotal-ZSYK202002011.htm
Inhibitory effect of Fruitflow on platelet function: a randomized placebo-controlled trial in elderly subjects
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-95541/v1
Fruitflow attenuates human platelet granule secretion through down-regulating Src/PLC?2/PKC signaling pathway
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-17401/v1
Toxicological Evaluation of Edible Safety of Water-soluble Tomato Concentrate (Fruitflow?)
http://www.fx361.com/page/2019/1205/6076972.shtml
Effects of water-soluble tomato concentrate on platelet aggregation
https://www.wjtcm.net/article.asp?issn=2311-8571;year=2019;volume=5;issue=4;spage=260;epage=268;aulast=Zhan
Study on the Antioxidant and Auxiliary Effects of Water-soluble Tomato Concentrate in Lowering Blood Lipid
https://r.cnki.net/kcms/detail/detail.aspx?filename=SPAJ202013071&dbcode=CRJT_CJFD&dbname=CJFDAUTO&v=
Study on the anti-platelet aggregation effect of water-soluble tomato concentrate
http://cdmd.cnki.com.cn/Article/CDMD-84502-1019240650.htm
Patents
WO2020077747 - COMPOSITION FACILITATING LOWERING OF BLOOD PRESSURE AND DIETARY SUPPLEMENT
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020077747&_cid=P11-KJGTMR-22408-1
CN109380728 - COMPOSITION AND HEALTH-CARE FOOD WITH AUXILIARY BLOOD PRESSURE LOWERING EFFECT
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=CN238963528&_cid=P11-KJGTMR-22408-1
Not By-Health
CN108524664 - COMPOSITION WITH INTESTINAL AND CARDIOVASCULAR REGULATING FUNCTION AS WELL AS PREPARATION METHOD AND APPLICATION THEREOF
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=CN228767168&_cid=P11-KJGTMR-22408-1
Its main ingredient or Natto Monascus is a well established product in the Chinese, not a new one. It could be By Health simply want to take a share of what is already an established market for it - an appeal to those who do not want to move away from what is a traditional product. Papers about it though, read exactly like those on fruitflow , ie. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259608298_Nattokinase_improves_blood_flow_by_inhibiting_platelet_aggregation_and_thrombus_formation
It could mean when they come, ByHealth products with Fruitflow will stress a different attribute, ie. exercise recovery, anti pollution,or will simply be pitched as new science for healthy platelets for those for whom that will have an appeal
I did wonder about the blood lipids as well Dr H
More than one way to skin a cat DP64
Very odd that they would carry out a major study into FF affect on blood lipids, then release a new blood lipids product without it included. It may be that they are anticipating blue hat for FF by the launch date, but don’t want to put it on the tin yet, as it is commercially sensitive.
Hi gixer,
Thanks for the great work. So if the new By-Health product does not include FF, then why they are doing the Blue Hat test and spending a lots of money? Or I am missing something here?
WS I thought the same thing, but it's not our product that's got the Blue Hat logo, it's the "Subaning" product which apparently doesn't contain FF. Hence kievsky's comment that we wait for ours (Blue Hat approval). That's my interpretation, having re-read from the bottom up instead of top down lol. K
Surely achieving Blue Cap warrants an RNS ?
Ok. So we wait for ours. Hopefully a H2 release
That works out to £662000 for a metric tonne
Its got the Blue Cap logo in the picture so I would say yes.
Gixer, has this product got blue hat
Looks like By-Health will be launching a new cardiovascular product in the first half of the year.
"9. The product positioning and business plan of the company's new single product "Subaning" A: The health food "Subaning" is positioned in the field of cardiovascular and cerebrovascular health and has the function of "assisting blood lipid reduction". The target population is 40-60 years old with high blood lipids crowd. The products will be distributed through channels in the first half of 2021, with the help of the company's channel advantages for promotion, and active exploration of new dynamic sales models."
http://data.eastmoney.com/notices/detail/300146/AN202103101470297569.html
Although I had initially though/ hoped that this new "Subaning" product was going to contain FF I am now pretty sure it doesn't
https://xqimg.imedao.com/176952e18a612ec53fee8c7b.jpeg!custom.jpg
It will, however, be good to see how they promote it.
The last price we had (many years ago) was £500 a kilo or around 7.5p a dose
If this price is to be believed then its just under 10p a dose although I am sure it would be much cheaper when buying in bulk.
Great work Gixer. All coming along nicely. Once this pops 2p will be long gone