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oh dear ****eye, you're not very good at this are you? can you please stop lying and twisting things to suit your weird and immoral agenda. so despite being asked, and failing to, on more than one occasion, back up things you claim i have said, you're now rambling on about irrelevant items.
you're just not that bright are you. i have already highlighted the fact Russia were seen to be the 2nd most powerful army. now just because they are incompetent and weaker than all thought they were, it doesnt mean they arent stronger than Ukraine, and before you lie (again) not once have i said Ukraine are stronger than Russia.
so bearing that in mind, that is exactly how Russia are achieving some of their aims. its pretty simple really.
despite the western weaponry being used, Ukrainians dont have the numbers of it needed and they are not as skilled as Western forces.
and no one said Putin should be beaten by now, so again another strawman argument presented by yourself. Putin will drag this out for years, because as i have said before he has funnelled away money from his people real needs for decades, to stock pile copious amounts of weaponry. no matter how incompetent the russians are, sheer numbers is doing the damage. its really is a case of quantity over quality when it come to the Russians.
"What is happening is his heavily tattooed and openly Nazi opponents are surrendering in droves"
you were asked last time to define, i believe it was "large swathes" of Nazi's in Ukraine, as you claimed. of course you couldnt, as per usual. even though you justified it as the very reason there were thousands of dead and millions displaced. those deaths and homes destroyed were worth it because of one battalion. that was your view. deranged and vile doesnt even come close.
you're arguments are getting weaker and weaker as time goes on ****eye, come on, surely you can do better than this?
and what about the thousands upon thousands of dead russians, the generals, the colonels, the embarrassing amount of Russian tanks and helicopters littering Ukraine.......so your points are declared moot as usual.......
It's actually rather relevant as Rosneft own 2/3rds of the Infrastructure that runs Kurdy oil to Ceyhan. Due to this, outward pressure on Baghdad maybe behind some of the legal incursions upon the KRG. Maybe.
Can everybody stop all this petty squabling about war and get back to main topic of GKP!
You've continually called him weak and Russia a 'paper tiger', so using your rationale, how can it be this lil puss could meet ANY of his objectives against such mighty and well funded opposition? Shouldn't he be beaten by now? That isn't isn't happening, is it?
What is happening is his heavily tattooed and openly Nazi opponents are surrendering in droves.
And because I just know you love proof, here it is...
https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett/status/1527918657799499776?s=20&t=clYmJAgya6zl0EeQpkGQeQ
https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett/status/1527918142894223361?s=20&t=SRY4mL3GzSfqxQot2fIDSw
'i think the problem with the likes of truthsayer, ****eye etc is not only are they lacking intellect and education, its the desire to go against traditional thinking, common sense. its "trendy" to simply go against the norm.
so where you have the vast majority of the civilised and free world condoning war and the killing of innocent people, you have immoral idiots like the 2 aforementioned, simply just wanting to against it, no matter how stupid or abhorrent their arguments become.
its called confirmation bias, i guarantee they both suffer from it.'
Pass me my irony tablets, quick! ("
yeh and i said categorically, i wasnt quoting you was i!!!.......come on, even YOU can do better than that!
either way you're splitting hairs ****eye, but it doesn't surprise me when to date your entire argument to date has been utterly pitiful to say the least.
so just find a post where i said Putin will fail to achieve any of his objectives.........tick tock
hi straycat.........i'm nearly the polar opposite of that to be fair, sorry, ha!
i think the problem with the likes of truthsayer, ****eye etc is not only are they lacking intellect and education, its the desire to go against traditional thinking, common sense. its "trendy" to simply go against the norm.
so where you have the vast majority of the civilised and free world condoning war and the killing of innocent people, you have immoral idiots like the 2 aforementioned, simply just wanting to against it, no matter how stupid or abhorrent their arguments become.
its called confirmation bias, i guarantee they both suffer from it.
it doesnt matter if their stance lacks basic human decency, logic, rational thought, dontcha know its cool to think the opposite of Western Media!!
i mean the man in charge of the war, sorry invasion, no, no, no, sorry "special operation" rigs elections, kills his political opponents, has threatened his own people with jail time if they criticise the army or use the term "war". he also keeps large swathes of the population he resides over in absolute poverty by diverting money into his own pocket and the military budget, all to stoke his ego, plain and simple.
and the only nations that have actually openly backed him, Syria, Iran, Belarus and there was another ****hole in Africa (name escapes me) that sided with Russia too.........these places are the armpits of world, and thats being polite. they oppress everything from womens rights, freedom of speech, education, etc. these are the places that side with Russia.
and from that you can tell what the true value the people that also side with Russia will be. its mind boggling it really is.
I said 'adamantly'. Apply the basics first, that being, comprehending what was written. Backtrack only then. Good lad.
aha ****eye, please post up where i said he categorically will not achieve some of his aims? or is this another helping of nonsense you're dishing out? some come on, back it up with fact.....for once!
and whether i insult, or you want to pretend i am "screaming", doesnt detract from the main thrust of my argument. you are still incapable of countering me with any efficiency. have have been shown up twice now. i suggest you go back to your usual and obsessive PUTUP postings, that's a lot more within your comfort zone.
and thank you for that link which proves the point the Ruble is being manipulated and artificially high, you have just proved my point whilst shooting yourself and truthsayer in the foot, woops..........pmsl
i particularly like how its rounded off, really hammers the nail home how stupid truthsayers argument was....
"The IIF expects Russia's economy to shrink 15% this year, wiping out more than a decade of economic development. "Export controls, the 'brain drain' of talent out of the country; a European shift away from Russian energy dependence and an exceptionally unfriendly business climate will all weigh on Russia's growth in the years to come"
priceless, utterly priceless
'I'd properly join in...' Haha.
Classic 'hold me back' talk. She's left you hanging, Indrid. You and your name calling. 'Good effort'.
So in my fantasies, you, Indrid, are female, Scandinavian and attractive (preferably very attractive).
And if any of that's not true, I don't mind. It doesn't matter.
What does matter is that you have that fire in you to call out this nonsense being propagated by truthsayer, 147king and more recently (and most surprisingly) ignorant C0ckeye.
What a load of unsubstantiated old tosh they're touting. Tragic Putin legacy.
Absolutely no relevence to the way the rest of us get it.
Well done Indrid.
Btw, I'd properly join in, but it doesn't seem to me you need any help at all given what you're dealing with.
Third raters with no real understanding of how the World's moved on since Stalin.
Good effort Indrid.
No mate, writing laboriously long posts screaming and name calling isn't 'countering'. Everyone of your retorts below is a insult or puerile scream. It's a sign a) you lack the sufficient articulation to indeed counter, b) you know your positions and 'argument' are weak so you attempt to disguise this with bluster.
This is demonstrated in your adjustment of Putin 'might reach his objectives' just a couple of weeks adamantly denying he would.
I'm not going to bore the board with spoon feeding you, so here is an article on the Ruble to do it for you.
All the best now...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-economy-2022/
truthsayer, your post of 09:43 are the ramblings of mad man, they truly are. never have i read such unadulterated drivel. from bare faced lies, to sensationalist tripe, to points that are utterly, utterly irrelevant. you honestly are one of the most bizarre characters on these boards, and that's saying something!
i know one of the benefits of the internet is anonymity, but if you were sane of mind you'd have to be ashamed of that post for your avatars sake.
how does one argue with another when the latter is so detached from reality, is completely incapable of coherent and logical responses.......that post was honestly baffling.
are you sure you are OK?
but a brief response to those mental points is all i can offer, as i fear we'd need a psychiatrist to truly help out.
1) yes the country that is the invader always moves first, thats common sense and utterly irrelevant. nest you'll be tellig us the rain is wet! Russia has lost more militarily than Ukraine, in more ways than one. add to that you are again comparing the worlds 2nd most powerful military to one not in the top 20. so in summary your point 1 is moronic.
2) who's arguing about, and what relevance does it have, regarding natural resources? you're mental. and again tell us WHY the Ruble is so strong? you still cant/wont answer it. the rest of this point is just lies or nonsense.
3) again utterly irrelevant, the ramblings of a drunk 3 year old. puerile, infantile, imbecilic nonsense.
****eye, you're another truthsayer in drag. last time we got into this i countered every single one of your arguments with reasoning, fact and logic and you ran off with your tail between your legs. now you're doing the same again.
"Yeah ok Indrid, and the Americans and us have just had our arrises handed to us and left billions of dollars of hardware to a load of sandal wearing Afghan Mullahs"
we had this conversation last time you moron. the US and UK kept the Taliban out of power for 20 years. The Taliban only took back control when we left, there was literally no battle. so if you are dumb enough to convert that into "our arrises being handed to us" then you really are a grade A imbecile.
"Whilst the most 'powerful man in the world' is a dribbling geriatric, who is only in power because the other Democrat candidates were even crazier than him!"
so you're saying America isnt still the most powerful player on the planet, their geo-political reach, their military and their economy. you are saying Russia trumps them on all fronts?......FFS.......this is too easy.
"You can ramble on all you want"
if its "rambling" why cant you prove a single point of mine wrong or counter it with any solid argument? bit of a lame retort there ****eye.
"The ruble has never been stronger"
i have asked truthsayer to explain why and if it will last. so over to you. if you cant that doesn't surprise me.
"whilst the west is crippled with inflation"
crippled? so why are we still growing and Russia is contracting? so again, please feel free to debate that in a manner befitting for an adult with a fully functioning cerebral cortex.
"Putin will achieve his objectives"
he may achieve his revised objectives. not all of his original ones. he didnt take Kyiv and other nations have already applied to join NATO, or are you too bitter and twisted to see or admit that?
"and there are tens of millions of us cheering him on"
as that displays not just how stupid you are, but abhorrent and disgusting.
"Putin is one of few that stands in the way of their nefarious aims"
you poor, poor, sad, deluded little man.
"They wanted, and still do, to inject you and your children every six months with a Covid vaccine. Thankfully enough people stood up and said no. I bet you weren't one of them"
and there it is, the hammer in the nail of your coffin. you are a nutter, plain and simple.
oh dear truthsayer, is that all you intend to respond with? so despite pulling your arguments apart like warm moist bread last time, now you can only answers questions with questions, and most of them are irrelevant nonsense, how embarrassing for you.
why dont you go through my points, one by one, and actually ANSWER them with some resemblance of knowledge, intellect, fact or iota of common sense? shall i hold my breath?
so even though you debate with all the grace and intellect of an inebriated 8 year old, i am still happy to actually further highlight to imbecilic nature of your views.
"Wow, do you derive your knowledge from Sky? Ha ha"
no - well that was an easy one, eh?
"Where do I start, the Western coup of 2014 or before? The armament? The Nato expansion? The 8 years building field fortifications? The absolute incompetence"
yeh you can start there, knock yourself out. it would be nice to hear you actually make some coherent and rational arguments.......so go on......elaborate.
and the fact you think those things have anything to do with which one out of The West and Russia is the "paper tiger" only goes to further highlight how uneducated you are.
"And you think 'you know' something, you sound like a fool, and extremely ignorant to reality"
WOW, what a knockout blow there, i am done, count me out.........hahahahaha..........says the man who didnt actually answer a single question of mine. priceless.
prove me a fool truthsayer, to date you have done nothing but the opposite, your lack of a rational, fact based, coherent counter argument has only further cemented that you dont know anything about this subject. try and ACTUALLY counter my points........
"So, my unlearned friend... did they plan to take Kiev? You appear to think so. Tell me why you think they did. I look forward to this."
so a 40km convoy heading towards Kyiv, thousands of dead Russians, destroyed military vehicles and equipment. battles fought within insignificant towns north of Kyiv, all point towards the Russians having no intention to take Kyiv? what planet are you on, do possess any common sense. stop drinking the Russia Today kool-aid.
any why wouldnt Putin want Kyiv? are you saying Stalin didnt want Berlin, or Hitler didnt want Paris? i am not quite sure you are of sound mind truthsayer?
Putin wants Ukraine to be bought under Russian control (and if you think he doesnt and its simply about the "liberation of Donbas", i pity you, i really do), and how can he do that without Kyiv and a western leaning government still in power?
how can he be sure Ukraine, led by its western leaning government, wont get ever closer to the west if he doesnt put one of his puppets in power?
and speaking of "paper tigers" please for a bit of fun list the countries in NATO, rank their respective military and economic power. then do the same for Russia's answer to NATO, their military alliance called the "Collective Security Treaty".......lets
'again, drivel of the absolute highest order. Russia was down as the 2nd most powerful military in the world. no one, sane of mind, can look at their performance and think, jeeeez we underestimated these guys. Quite the opposite in the fact, its the same cold war principal, their talk is far bigger than their walk and the world soon saw through the veil.'
Yeah ok Indrid, and the Americans and us have just had our arrises handed to us and left billions of dollars of hardware to a load of sandal wearing Afghan Mullahs. Whilst the most 'powerful man in the world' is a dribbling geriatric, who is only in power because the other Democrat candidates were even crazier than him!
You can ramble on all you want. The ruble has never been stronger, whilst the west is crippled with inflation. Putin will achieve his objectives and there are tens of millions of us cheering him on, not because we have anything against the people of Ukraine, they have been set up by the west, mainly the corrupt Americans, or because we respect Putin or think him as a paragon of virtue, but because we loath our Globalist western leaders more and Putin is one of few that stands in the way of their nefarious aims.
They wanted, and still do, to inject you and your children every six months with a Covid vaccine. Thankfully enough people stood up and said no. I bet you weren't one of them.
I shall also elaborate a little for you, on why it was 'pathetic', let us analyse three general easpects of the plan:
-The build up of military and the development of a standing army in Ukraine with the aim of causing destabilisation to Russia.
- the plan to issue 'sanctions', ie illegal, criminal thievery, against Russia, again in order to destabilise and overthrow Russia
- the geo political mass propaganda plan to promote Ukraine and the evil one Zelensky, as hero, once the initial Ukrainian military had moved in the East.
In brief
1st Russia were fully aware of the West build up. Preempted it, struck first, and dominated the chessboard centre within two weeks, immobilised the movement of the Ukrainian army, and have been destroying it since. At no point have they relinquished initiative. They have dominated the theatre of war. They moved first and caught the entire farcical enterprise months before it intended to begin it's offensive operations.
2.
Putin, in his 1997 paper, explained clearly that value is in raw commodities, not in perceived value, this at odds to Soros' paper the same year. The West disagreed. Now we see who was right. It was ludicrous to think that you could sanction the country which supplies all your needs ie the world needs Russia more than Russia needs the world. Furthermore, economically too, Russia were completely prepared, they had simulated the scenarios. They were clearly not surprised. In fact, it played into their hands. Stealing their money caused the rest of the world to see the West as untrustworthy. Removing Russia from Swift was insane. The entire debacle played into Russian hands, and then they made their move: you want oil and gas, pay Roubles. The Rouble is flying! The West completely got all aspects of this wrong. Regime change will now occur across the West, NOT in Russia. Brazil, India, China, Iran, Kenya, all these crucial nations, are siding with Russia.
3rd
Zelensky, the puppet, is a comedian, was a comedian, and his cabinet are producers. His theatrical roll out, planned for very different circumstances, daily backfires. He looks more of an idiot than you. Worse, he has caused the death of tens of thousands of men. He is responsible for all their deaths. Peace talks should have long been finalised, giving up the East. Rump Ukraine will remain. All those soldiers died. Why? Why? Why?
If they had stuck to the agreement, the Minsk agreement , there would be no war. Now they are destroyed.
I will finish by helping you understand how they never wanted to 'take' Kiev. They sent 40,000 troops to distract from the pincer around Donetsk. 40,000 men could never 'take' Kiev. This is Western distraction.
Also, they don't even want all Ukraine, or anywhere else, why do you think they would? They want pro Russian states with Russian speakers, back. Russia has used 190,000 troops! That is hardly enough to do what they are doing. They never intended to 'take' a 40 million popul
Wow, do you derive your knowledge from Sky? Ha ha.
Where do I start, the Western coup of 2014 or before? The armament? The Nato expansion? The 8 years building field fortifications? The absolute incompetence.
And you think 'you know' something, you sound like a fool, and extremely ignorant to reality.
Let's start with the first idiotic concept to highlight how ignorant you are of 'reality': 'they failed to take Kiev'.... let us have a dialectic relating to this, to help open your educational horizons on 'reality'.
So, my unlearned friend... did they plan to take Kiev? You appear to think so. Tell me why you think they did. I look forward to this.
truthsayer, not more utter idiotic ramblings, based on nothing but hot air and ill informed/uneducated views. didnt you learn from the last time you started on down this road? why do you speak which such of authority on a subject you clearly (and i mean very, very clearly) know nothing about?
"Their big 'plan' to take out Russia, pathetic in its development and execution"
elaborate on this please, define why it is "pathetic"? what are its flaws? and what would you do, whilst not starting WW3 of course?
"has shown the world that they, not Russia, are the paper tigers"
again, drivel of the absolute highest order. Russia was down as the 2nd most powerful military in the world. no one, sane of mind, can look at their performance and think, jeeeez we underestimated these guys. Quite the opposite in the fact, its the same cold war principal, their talk is far bigger than their walk and the world soon saw through the veil.
they have already failed in taking Kyiv, they have failed in deterring others from joining NATO, they have threatened to nuke the world about 40 times (thats not only utterly "pathetic" but bordering on insanity), they threatened anyone who "interfere" (and that includes supplying weapons) with the "special invasion" that there would be consequences, where are those consequences truthsayer?
ever heard of "Chinas Final Warning"......no doubt you havent, but have a little google truthsayer (i LOL every time i read that avatar) and you'll see how seriously the world takes those that repeatedly make empty threats.
and what do you genuinely think would happen if the US went to war with Russia, let alone all of NATO of which the US is part of.......are you seriously that dumb or deluded that you think Russia have any chance? the ONLY thing the world are scared of with Russia is an aging, ego-maniac of a gangster with his finger in control of the worlds largest nuclear arsenal.
their military know only barbarity, they rape, they murder, they bomb with primitive ordinance. their machinery, leadership, tactics, weapons, all grossly outdated.
"They have pressed self destruct on their own economies"
is that why every single western economy is still growing this year, and the vast majority next too, whilst Russias is forecast to shrink anywhere between 8% and 15%? priceless conclusion there truthsayer, lol.
add to that Russia are also on the verge of default at this very time.
also if you know so much about the economics of Russia, can you tell us why the Ruble is currently so elevated? please give us your synopsis on whether it is manipulated, how long it will last at this current level?
Yep, and leaving EU costing 5 percent loss to economy so far. Disaster.
They should have had the campaigns as BritIN Unionist party and BritOUT Nationalist party, then the neo liberals could never have voted Leave as they would have committed their cardinal sin: appearing nationalist (shudder), ****** (incomprehensible), and bigoted (not them!).
The UK is in a mess alright, but one of its own making. Too much money printing and a ridiculous green agenda that is the real reason for the record high taxation. Now we are importing massive amounts of coal and begging oil producers to increase production. You could not make it up.
The next few years are going to be....enlightening- for them that is.
Uk looks in a mess, along with the collective West. Their big 'plan' to take out Russia, pathetic in its development and execution, has shown the world that they, not Russia, are the paper tigers. They have pressed self destruct on their own economies. Let's hope their weakness does not affect their ability to guarantee 'protection' in KRG. Russia and China support Iran or Iraq and next thing KRG is gone.
God help us if either one of this pair get the job.
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