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Reppyrr in all honesty your proberbly better off asking that exact question in a new thread , you might get more of a responce that way mate.
So we had a good last week, what's predictions for next Friday close?
I would hope for at least 80p
Absolutely FunInvestor, glad we could sort out our differences :)
You too Mountainous.
Have a good one and many more of them.
Here is to an upward trajectory in share price from here :-)
P.w complete waffle and very little fact, again just filter me
Hello seddo, indeed we can.
I will leave this as it is now and I hope we can agree to disagree. Nobody wants a negative atmosphere.
Dragon9, FunInvestor, Bonkers, JG, smalltrader, lpd, and everyone else, I wish you a fantastic Sunday and a great week ahead.
What you wrote.
The rises are nice of course they are and we enjoy them when we can, but big well dones , pat on the backs and congratulations for holding through the thick and thin makes my stomach turn reading it.
It's as though everyone feels the jobs done and we are only jist over 70p.
The job is nowhere near done , and I can't believe I'm typing this but I have to echo what LPD said earlier , why is everyone getting excited with this current s.p and rise
First off the difference between your post and JPs post who agreed with you is that he was saying he personally was not happy. You on the other hand was sick to your stomach that others were celebrating!!! So it read like it was an attack on others for being happy and we all should be sad like you. And why was everyone celebrating.
You also said we should be putting celebrations on ice.
You do not know where everyone is at in their lives, you do not know everyones sp average, its not their fault that YOU are not happy. You keep saying find me a negitive post, well there you go Bonkers. You made every who was happy about the SP feel s hit.
If only you worded it about YOU were not happy, and YOU were holding out on celebrating the SP rise. Then fair enough as its your personal feelings. But you never.
I'm sick to death people saying that they deserve more as they have been in since last year. I was in last year, I stupidly cashed out on the second wave, I also invested in Carnival at £12 but cashed out now its £15, and other investments. I was 17k down, not much others might say, but if you only knew what my life has been like the last 2.5 years and what I've lost then you would know for me that loss was again another kick in the teeth.
But I have managed to get that loss down to 7k, through other investments. I was happy with that price rise along with others and YOU with your NEGITIVE post made us happy people feel uncomfortable that you were sick to your stomach that we were happy seeing the price rise.
Now do you get it?
That's my last post on this thread as you were keep insisting where have you been negitive....
Any chance we can draw a line under this and start afresh tomorrow. This used to be a great bb, let sleeping dogs lie.
Let’s hope for a steady rise this coming week and let people be as positive or negative as they like.
Anyway back to the important thing today, digging my spuds up
smalltrader read the Mail article link below.
""But the release of Bond after an 18-month delay has pushed customer numbers to ten per cent higher than 2019..." HIGHER.
Big opportunity here to showcase cinemas for their relative safety and inexpensive form of entertainment and it's a great time to be putting the effort in ahead of the quality that's coming in that Q4 film slate.
A glitzy Premiere on Tuesday and Big Bond numbers for the opening weekend will breed their own headlines and those and word of mouth will create its own FOMO.
Then the stars and the full publicity machine (which has already started) then hop on a plane for round 2 in the US. etc etc
Indeed smalltrader, we have seen it all at this point.
The fact is that he brings these negative comments in at the most inappropriate time when we are talking about something positive in that thread. He does it to diminish the mood and the encouragement. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that.
Bonkers you are such a funny person you know.
You have called me an idiot based on that post. Well here’s the funny thing, you YOURSELF ADMITTED YOU WERE WRONG THAT DAY
please see evidence below:
20th Sept 16:06:
‘Fair enough mountainous I prob read it wrong , I get a bit touchy when people refer the s.p as being in a good place or if we have a 5% rise its a great day.
Rereading your post after your reply I see where your coming from’
hindsight is a lovely thing indeed…
Thanks Mountainous for exposing Funinvester. He was pathetically negative. He keeps banging on about BO still at 60% levels. But he doesn't want to acknowledge that it is at 60% levels not because of covid thing that he and his mob keeps feeding. It is at 60% because we don't have enough number of movies otherwise CINE trading conditions are back to precovid levels. With increased ticket prices and price increase for concession items, CINE are no doubt going to make much more revenue than in 2019. I said this many times but he always dismisses it and will mix the BO 60% revenue with cine finances to give a bleak picture of CINE.
20th Sept I said no progess had been made on the s.p , it was currently at that time, low 60s , are you seriously suggesting I should of said progress had been made.
Mountainous simply filter me like you said you were
Smalltrader I say it AGAIN show me a post a whole post unlike what idiot done and show me where I am DERAMPING being NEGATIVE or acting as a troll.
Jp68 thanks and totally agree with your post
Which part of that is my Friday response to the rose?
Again one film, one weekend is NOT where we are at.
Go look at box office mojo for reality rather than fantasy of 80% levels.
YES in the UK we are now fairly regularly at around 75% pre-pandemic levels.
Our business will not thrive on UK figures.
USA is the key surely anyone with an ounce of sense agrees on that.
There we are NOT anywhere near regularly hitting such high levls.
Month on month the percentage in comparison to 2019 IS improving (might be c.55% or if lucky little more for September highest in % terms so far).
HOWEVER in actual revenue terms August and September will be less than July.
As I say things are overall seeming to improve, but I prefer to ground myself in reality rather than fantasy.
Show me my Friday dismissive posts thanks :-)
FunInvestor, you’re even worse than Bonkers when it comes to that:
19th Sept 19:30- ‘67% for one week in the UK is NOT hitting over 60% consistently for the business. With majority of business in USA.
Have a look at box office mojo it clearly shows where industry has been this year and continues to show.’ (We did indeed have a look at box office mojo and saw that Shang-Chi had yielded us nearly 67% of pre-covid figures including the USA on its release week)
19th Sept 17:59- ‘Every single record we can access shows attendance levels are nowhere near 90%. Indeed they have been a way short of 60%.’ (This was also incorrect data, as box office mojo was showing 66-67% of pre-covid figures the week before this)
19th Sept 13:51- (In reference to the debt facility) ‘Mountainous, with $170m quickly gone paying Regal shareholders with a further $96 having to be set aside to pay them no later than next March’ (I mentioned to you that day that the data was completely incorrect, as the $170m had been set aside beforehand)
15th Sept 10:49- ‘I forget the numbers, but it has been reported in the news.
The deaths/severe cases are VERY dominant in their make up. Like 80% or something.
Circa 5 million adults still with no vaccination for whatever reason.’ (A wholly negative post regarding COVID for some reason, I believe this was in response to a positive thread yet again)
8th Sept 22:42- ‘Company billions in debt and trading in the 45 - 55% of 2019 levels when require to be c. 90%’ (you posted this on yet another positive thread if I’m not mistaken, and not only that but the mentioned data was not correct according to what we saw on box office mojo, this was once again approx 66-67% from Shang-Chi)
You say that ‘much of the insightful research posts you (smalltrader) drool over hold little to no real value in regards Cineworld quite often’ Even if you think that it holds little to no value, at least the research he is doing is factual…
If you can be specific and show me my post (s) on Friday where I am dismissive of the rise then we can discuss further.
If however you are just making stuff up in your head because you are an overly emotional investor struggling because your investment here is down then let's get over that eh.
Much of the insightful research posts you drool over hold little to no real value in regards Cineworld quite often.
They only serve to Stoke the pack mentality of everything is perfect but we are being cheated out of a pre pandemic share price by nasty M.M.s and anyone that doesn't follow the party line is all things bad.
smalltrader - spot on imo
Let’s put an end to all of this shall we?
20th Sept 2021 13:06 : ‘My opinion no progress has been made with regards to the s.p’ -Bonkers
This was your response to me when I said we had made progress by at least behaving in line with market trends, and not constantly diverging from it and going down regardless of market performance.
Do you see where smalltrader is coming from? He explained that whenever someone posts something positive, you instantly shoot it down and you can see it here.
We are sick and tired of it, at the end of the day if you’re an investor you would want to hear positive comments about the company. Even BC at times was acknowledging the fact that we had a big amount of debt, so we are not all delusional optimists. We understand that the company still has a few problems but we also choose to look at the positives from time to time as well. Many of us come here to get a bit of motivation when we see the downfalls in the price and we were all enlightening each other and encouraging ourselves. We weren’t ever saying ‘wow tomorrow Jeff Bezos is going to approach Mooky and give away all c. $180bn of Amazon stock he has to the company’ or words to that effect, but we were sharing facts and news about the company to spur us on. Your response, as I’ve shown you an example of above, is to shoot it down, just as you did again on Friday with the rise to 73p.
I’ve given you the example that you’ve been pestering us for. Hopefully now you see our viewpoint better. I don’t expect another response from you regarding this; you have got what you asked for.
You still don't get it.
When investors post their opinion when they find something positive, you and your club just dismisses it. There are 1000s of such dismissive posts. Likewise you dismissed the rise to 72p as well on Friday and obviously some lost patience reading your posts and that is how several other investors also slated you but you don't get it. Now don't give me a fick about your balancing act. When you are dismissing every positive post then clearly you are doing the trolls job and that is why there are no new de-rampers. Get it?
Instead of attacking posters, do some research on CINE and post it. If you don't have anything to research then sit aside and let others post. There is no need for you to jump in like a monkey everytime and mock others.
No one is asking to post £10 by tomorrow. If that is what your little brain understood then that shows how immature you are in your thought process.
I don't recall the book on how to be a successful overly emotional investor.
Bonkers your treatment by number of people has become appalling frankly considering the clear enthusiasm you have shown over many many months on here.
Just say £10 by September 31st and talk of your imaginary successes you will be a hero again ;-)
I would say that a lot depends on the type of person you are and what personality you have.
I can relate to your sentiment completely, too many times I've let my imagination run away with things only to be cut down sharply and quickly.
I have watched my portfolio shrink by approximately 70k since June, mainly down to four shares, CINE, NEX, IAG, and Petrofac.
And now during the last week those paper losses have reduced to about 25K, mainly because IAG and PFC have turned it around and I am now nicely in profit, and CINE and NEX have both increased somewhat, and although I am still big in the red with CINE and a little bit with NEX, I feel slightly less stressed and almost relieved to not be that much down, only this much down, if that makes sense.
So I am not celebrating until I am well in profit especially with CINE, I am always going to expect to get knocked back with this share unfortunately, that's the nature of the volatility that goes with it, and given how much it is shorted, this is never going to be an easy ride.
So thanks for my much needed dose of reality.
And like most on here, I am hoping that next week we get more of the same.
Smalltrader , this thread is all based on the fact because I wasn't celebrating with the rest of the club I was branded once again negative.
So let me ask you a question why did you not celebrate with them on the rise to 70p??? , I'm convinced you SHARE the same opinion as me that there was nothing to celebrate, you know there is a lot of volatility on this share and wether you like to admit it or not the drops come out of nowhere just as quick as the rises.
Your own admission was this share has at times gave you sleepless nights , and I'm also pretty sure at times you have questioned your investment here , that's not me knocking you and something I haven't had to enduer Purley because my entry price is pretty much worse case scenario I end up walking away breaking even. But any questions on your investment by you doesn't mean you are negative about this share right!!!!
I brought shares here to see a sharp drop some months later when they shut , i didn't have the guts to buy more shares at the time but i was a new investor to cineworld and held my shares at aassive paper loss, and I then watched it grow all the way to 120 odd based on news of vaccines , reopening, films , etc etc it all made sence.
Since March it has, as you know dropped significantly, not much logic in it and we now sit at a s.p similar to when we were last in the winter lockdown, so 2nd time it has dropped and 2nd time I now have to wait for it to climb. So forgive me for not having the same enthusiasm as some of the newer members of the club , my timeline here has increased over time with my initial investment timeline I had hoped to of been gone by now. In fact long gone.
I still believe in cineworld , the only thing that's changed is my timeline , my enthusiasm has changed , why wouldnt it
I'm sure yours has too , however im still here, haven't sold a single share and in fact brought a very all amount for my kids, so in fact added, however that certainly doesn't make me negative , a deramper , a troll , a forked tounge , a trader or any other words that want to be thrown my way.
I simply said 70p was NOT a time to celebrate.
Now forgive me but your whole post to me was about another poster , you accused me of being naive , but what you COULDNT do is show me a example of me being negative, a deramper , or a troll.
I'm filtered from the club , happy days for all I care really couldn't care , but let's be clear the reason that is isn't because of my views on cineworld , they are simply because I dare to disagree with the club from time to time, and not a single one of the club can give me a example otherwise.
For what it's worth i will chat to whatever poster I like , you mention dragon , we haven't always agreed , the same as me and fun haven't always agreed but at least we can disagree as adults and not be met by hostility. Who I choose to interact here is my choice and nobody else's , I for what it's worth don't believe he or fun are
Since morning you have been screaming out loud asking to show your deramping comments despite HSN, PW and Mountainous summing up about your posts and yet you still don't get it.
Let me ask you one question Bonkers. Did you ever think of why this board doesn't have any new derampers since IDW left? The reason is because the club you are in with is doing their job so there is no need for anyone else to come here and deramp! Every board has village idiots talking down the share and the club you are in doing that job! You fail to see DD9's pathetic negativitiy in all of his 400+ posts and that shows your naivity. If you bothered to search for arbitrage technique that DD9 mentioned, you will see that it is about taking both long and short positions and your banker has both short and long positions in CINE. His short position is bigger than his long position. If you read his late night post, he said -
"Why don't I lose my s*** when Cine goes up? Why don't I cry when it goes down? Because Cineworld makes up a small portion of my portfolio "
Why do you lose shirt when Cine goes up if you are not shorting? That is why he says there is nothing wrong in shorting but you have been brainwashed with the balancing act so you don't see it. Your incompetence to understand it proves your naivety. All his 400+ posts of pathetic negative comments are because of his higher short position. He will disappear once CINE starts moving to 80p and above with the Bond release.
Now regarding the 150p share price that you keep mocking me at, let me be clear to you. It is not my finger in the air prediction! If you bothered to do any research on CINE then you will see that Jefferies gave a target of £1.50 on CINE.
Here is the link -
I mentioned the same target price of £1.50 back in July when the price was crashing hard. That was the only one time that I mentioned and it was again not my finger in the air prediction. It is from Jefferies. Ofcourse to dumb Dragon(DD9) even Jefferies are irrational optimists and dimwits but he thinks he is not pathetically de-ramping CINE and thinks only he is the cleverest one and you have a high regard to him! Open your eyes and understand what is going on mate...
Mountainous I want to thank you because in 1 post you have absolutly nailed on my issue.
You have agreed with lpd by saying you won't read my post, and then in the next breath you take a quote from my post. So you did read it.
This is my issue, my beliefs for recovery are the same as the clubs , yet because my expectations and time frame for recovery is a lot more realistic in my opinion , that I believe it will take longer then the club thinks , I am then labeled negative for having a alternative opinion. Even though you can't give a single example of me doing just that. Not one of the club has gave me an example of me deramping , being a troll or negative to cineworld.
In terms of you ignoring my posts from now on I really couldnt give a flying **** , you wanna follow lpd lead by being a sheep you do just that , I will not be losing any sleep because you are filtering me , but for info I will NOT be filtering you , I will continue to offer my opinion if I feel necessary on your posts , if I agree I will say so , if I don't I will continue too do just that just as I did yesterday.
Many have said they will filter me , very few acctually do , and unlike some of the club I'm not here for likes , I'm only here to make money just like everyone else
Hello Bonkers, I will not waste my time to read your posts. As lpd has also mentioned, they lack proper research, and I believe my time would be better spent elsewhere.
We are not here to pinpoint any specific post, but rather your continuously negative outlook.
For now, I will refrain from replying to this topic and will go back to our normal discussion topics. Let’s allow the recommendations on our future posts to speak for themselves.
Have yourself a pleasant Saturday.