Roundtable Discussion; The Future of Mineral Sands. Watch the video here.
cont. The problem is that they are not the extremist trouble-making faction. It is those non-sane protesters who cause all the idiotic disruptions,
A big thank you to the Eyes-on-Site team. A merry Christmas and fruitful New Year to all genuines.
Heb: 'If I was a sane swampy I would rationaise that non fracd local oil made using gas from the well was far better than oil carried by tankers from dodgy foreign shores. No helium - as expected. Hope the green lobby realise this'.
Yes, of course. I agree.
I'm sure there are many sane greenies who appreciate your point. The problem is that they are not the extremist trouble-making faction.
...that is the type of fact that causes me to ask the questions I have been posting since Friday. In shareholders' opinions, what will it take to move up and, hopefully, re-rate our SP? I ask again for your views. Is it too much of an unknown to ponder?
I am asking because I am far from expert in formulating a detailed rationale explaining the linked mechanism between meaningful success in one of KDNC's investments and the direct benign effect on our SP. There doesn't seem to be one in my view! And there is nothing coming out of this BB either. So what exactly are we all waiting for here?
bidnolid, thanks for you reply. You may or may not be representative but so far you are the only other (unfiltered) investor to show any interest in the subject I raised this morning. Rather disappointing.
I agree with your point re: BCN. In fact, I recently invested there. However, I would still appreciate others' opinion/insight regarding just what BCN, say, would have to declare in terms of commercial impact to create an upsurge (40p/50p/60p?) in the KDNC SP within, say, the next 2 years. A little more realistic evaluation on the chances of this coming good at some point rather than vague hope would be welcomed and might lead to an informative discussion instead of the seemingly endless stream of pasted 'news' or baseless predictions. There are a number of posters here who appear to have a wealth of knowledge of this sector that could be tempted to rate the chances of success of each of the invested stocks of the likes of EMH, BCN, etc to better inform the less aware (like me). Pretty please? I imagine many of us would like a clearer picture (obviously based on supported opinions) in order to review our future KDNC investment strategies.
I have held shares in REM/KDNC since Sept 2013. More fool me, perhaps. Lots of fools around, I imagine.
General request for opinions: does everybody expect that, should a huge commercial success occur within one of our holdings, that the positive influence would transfer directly to the KNDC share price?
The RNS dribblets we receive from KM, by the 100s it seems, demonstrate not positive effect at all by and large. For those of us LTHs who are way under water here and pray for a break even SP, my question to each of you is - what, in your opinion, will it take to bring about your break even point. Give us an example. Which investments/company achieving what sort of success? I am trying to form a more detailed picture of a likelihood - any likelihood.
These stacks of RNSs over the years now represent a pile of under-achievement and disappointment from my viewpoint. What do they all add up to? Do they directly cement the reasons for holding any further?
Apologies for bluntness but I have been holding for many years and need to search for a spring of hope. Thanks. I will check in again this afternoon for any responses.
baits: 'If you had any idea how they work a short you would not have posted what you did.So my only conclusion is you know nowt'.
There you go again! You obviously know a lot about working a short, as you put it, so please share that with us. The actual mechanics of the betting technique will be of great interest. I'm sure it isn't just me that would like to know more details. I've read about it but it I haven't grasped it fully and I'm sure it would be absorbed better coming from you. So won't you please change your mind and tell us?
In the meantime, I am taking your advice and holding firm.
baits, without an investment in UKOG, why are you here spouting an opinion on our state of play, in any case, I wonder?
And as soon as I ask for more info you say you are not invested and do not wish to be involved in discussion. Weird behaviour. And what arguments are you referring to? I simply asked some questions on the subject you introduced.
I am invested in both UKOG and Angus. as many here are, so I read all your posts on the other board. Consequently, I am up to speed with your current views and hopes and your plans for a return to investment in UKOG, in due course. Good luck with your SP hopes here. And don't be so touchy. Or rude, for that matter.
Well, baits, is that it? Couldn't keep up? The 'tit-for-tat' comment/reason must have been a reference to responses made by some of my filtered posters because, I have seen all other posts this morning with no connection. Even so, your reasons for not responding, on a subject you have been very keen to be 'involved' in, is a bit thin, don't you think? I now believe that you may sound more knowledgeable than you evidently are.
Hi argus, I'm wondering what happened to the original 'Subito' thread title that you came in on. The subject of 'shorting' (which, remarkably, died in its infancy - which may well reflect the true level of knowledge from posters who need to come over as informed on this board) was totally switched to one concerning HUR's rating......What happened? Thread title's dont' really work, I guess.
peter, I hold 399350 shares here.
For those with a war-chest or disposable income readies, the current SP must be tempting. Surely, a good buy-in point?
Thanks, baits. So, in fact, you are merely saying in your previous post that, on this occasion, the SP will rise after the shorting is completed and then the shorting could begin again. In other words, we are never free of the influence of shorting. Is that correct? So, nothing new to comment on really.
Would you say all shares are shorted from time to time? What are the characteristics of a stock that make them particularly attractive to shorters? And, lastly, if you would be so kind, am I right in thinking that it is possible that multiple shorters could be on to one share at one time but with different low-point SP targets which could, in effect, extend the downward direction of an SP? Where does that stop? Trying to learn more from you. Thanks.
Morning baits. Ref: 'the share is being shorted.As I said last week hold your shares it will come back up when they are done'.
I know very little about 'shorting, other than it is a betting practise which is rewarded by targetting and hitting a lower SP in a stock. You have recently been underlining that UKOG (in which I am a long term holder) is probably being 'shorted' (see above) and that the shorters will, at some point, be done. This implies that shorting will then stop and, as you say, our SP will rise. I just want to ask (in my ignorance) why the practise, if successful, would stop. It would seem to me that either the same mob or one of many other mobs, having succeeded, would run the process again. I would be very grateful if you would explain to me why, in your mind, it would simply - stop. Thanks in advance,
Oiliest: "Also Subito: Sentiment is as powerful as fact so don't try to hush excited shareholders".
Yes, that's right. I would not want to dampen any polite, intelligible, well-balanced, mature expression of excitement about Angus. In fact, I would encourage it. No hushing of positive sentiment from me. No doubt, you are exactly the same in that regard?
Yes, I'm afraid I still do! As well as the court case, which I attended, ISIS, the investor presentations, the endless Kurdish govt meetings et al. These are much improved days and my holding experience here is far less stressful as it would be for any ANGUS investor who shared a similar investment history.
Plenty of returned confidence in a likely positive outcome at Brockham seemingly demonstrated by the SP this morning.
I wonder what happened to Bob Waterhouse?
EOTP: "Meantime, most of the posts here are puerile statements about the SP and how it's going to smash this and that number*. Classic ramper tactics and a very transparent way to drown out rational discussion about the impact of the placing and the other BOD authority provisions in the RNS".
Agree with you. *Also plenty of foul-mouthed obscenity hurling from schoolboy mentalities. Very unimpressive. If only they realised how low-grade they appear.
Adultly worded on-target discussion concerning our investment's performance and related subjects is what I want to read about (and occasionally contribute).
I've learned a lot about the oil industry over the past years of investment (at some cost!) but the gained knowledge still amounts to only a modicum in percentage terms. I am therefore very appreciative of all contributors of specialist knowledge. It's usually better to shut up rather than make up if you are short on know-how or intelligence. 'A little learning is a dangerous thing........' and in this environment, it is potentially harmful for both the spouter and the receiver. Investors with the capability should remain aware.
Thanks to the good people who post here and good luck to each of you.