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Well I'm guessing that most investors are fairly happy with progress here given the lack of chat.
I think the temptation is always to sell at these prices. However, I don't see many opportunities out there for low priced assets. Commodity stocks outside of oil seem fairly high.
Still room for further capital growth but I would not be expecting huge returns on capital at these levels but still worth it for a long term income stock.
Well I'm guessing that most investors are fairly happy with progress here given the lack of chat.
I think the temptation is always to sell at these prices. However, I don't see many opportunities out there for low priced assets. Commodity stocks outside of oil seem fairly high.
Still room for further capital growth but I would not be expecting huge returns on capital at these levels but still worth it for a long term income stock.
I do wonder about 0 commission platforms. They have to make money somewhere, I guess the issue would be around how wide is that spread and what is the delay on trades?
For a smallish investor it won't matter too much unless we are talking about significant spreads and delays close to hours rather than minutes.
If you are trading large sums over small time periods then the spread and the delay becomes more significant.
Steady away here I see.
It's all about having a balanced portfolio and a steady 5% a year with little change in the capital is just fine by me.
It balances out my more risky investments which whilst currently up have been known to leave me with a dent in my savings.
I always work on the assumption now that the big money has been made aware of any potential news that impacts shares we'll before we get wind of it.
Selling into a rise means the dip was less for the big investors.
To be fair I was expecting a pull back from 460 as it just seemed too rapid a climb for the material changes in the business.
But equally this fall was just as unexpected.
Slightly gutted but that is the world of shares for you.
I think you have missed out on the recovery. The optimism was riding high a month ago but reality has hit and even though the UK is back up and running.
Overseas it's not all plain sailing and this will impact travel firms bottom lines.
All my shares are dipping lower at the moment. No clear reason as to why, I'm just assuming that the bounce was stronger than it should have been.
£4.60 was fairly rapid I thought they would need international sailing for that price.
Well I am terrible at trying to time the market so I have added a few more at this level
I'll leave that to ride for a year or two and see how it goes.
Can't complain as BT has been good to me these last few months so let's hope Vodafone also turns a corner.
Hi fleecy the way I read this is Vod issued a bond (money in)
They then converted the bond into shares rather than pay it off. Thus depreciating the remaining shareholders shares.
They are now going to buy back some shares (money out).
If they buy back at a lower price then the net result of that activity will be positive.
However, if the most profitable thing Vodafone can do with any cash it has is to buy and sell its own shares that is a concern.
Businesses should not be buying and selling its own stock, it should be investing for growth.
Buying and selling your own stock provides no benefit to the activities of the company. They are not selling more products, making products cheaper or creating new products.
They are trading in themselves. They would have done better to invest the money from the bond in another company as at least that company would put the money to work and generate a higher reuurn on either capital or income.
I think the narrative that a falling sp is going for any buy back scheme is a bit thin.
Its only good if the sp rebounds, but there is no logic that a falling sp should go up again when the buy back is over.
Indeed the buy back could be masking what would be a bigger fall in the sp by Vodafone buying its own shares therefore creating a false demand.
The question as always is what is good value do you feel 123p under or over values the company. To me it feels like a fair price, not bargin basement, but not expensive either.
I am tempted to add a few more but you have to be making something of a guess as to whether you feel the drop has ended.
Interesting to see some people cashing in. I'm currently at 77% up on saga, but not sure it's hit its potential yet.
Although to be fair if I sold saga not sure where I would invest for a better growth or income opportunity.
Crypto currencies are no different really to national currencies. Both are effectively tokens that represent stored value, you could store anything really sheep, gold, paintings. With all these stores of wealth they depend on one thing.
That people will continue to trust them as an indication of wealth.
The big difference is that crypto is the first example of private industry trying to move into what was the domain of national governments.
Whether it will crash or survive depends on if regulations permit it to continue existing and whether people hold faith in it as a store of value.
For the traders I don't care they are in it for a fast buck and eventually somebody has to be holding it when either the music stops or it reaches an agreed valuation against national currencies.
Its one advantage over national currencies is that it has rules that are (supposedly) fixed, meaning no additional printing of money #quantitive easing.
So can it last, sure but is it a safe bet. Far from it. But hey nothing lasts, so investors in many a bust company will tell you that wealth storage and growth is not without risks.
Not posted for a while as very happy being bored.
I think there is always a balance to be struck between the over optimistic £15ers and the depressing £2ers.
Alot of the churn in the last few months has been about the risk of going bust. I think most institutions have now priced in that this will not go bust.
The next movements in the sp will be guided by actual results and price discovery, to value what the return on capital will be for saga.
I'm looking for £4.50 by the end of summer/autumn.
There will then be some movement based on results speculation and any covid winter effects/varients.
With a good wind I'm hoping for 2022 to be £5 with maybe more if the company reduces debt significantly and offers to reinstate a dividend.
Bad results and then maybe closer to £3.50 - £3.80
Well I guess it depends on what you want from a share. If you are looking for capital growth then I can appreciate that you are disappointed.
I've made my first purchase of Vodafone today, did not go all in as there is room for this to fall further, but I'm just looking to the income generation side as the plan is to hold for say 10 years.
If it drops a little more then I'll add a few more.
Debt is a concern, but if they continue the make in roads into the debt, then I'm hopeful that the capital value will hold steady.
Well I need to do a little more research as for example I was not aware there was a buy back in progress.
I'm not often fond of companies investing in their own sp. Any cash should be invested into growth rather than boosting the sp.
The dividend would be my reason for buying so that is a factor, but if the sp drops the rest of this week then I will be tempted. Lots of shares out there though so never rush an investment.