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Hi Bonzo,

for what its worth, see below

once big pharma discussions begin, how long do they normally take

ChatGPT said:

The timeline for Big Pharma acquisition or licensing discussions can vary a lot depending on the stage of the asset, complexity of the deal, and strategic priorities. For a Phase 2–ready autoimmune asset like P140, here’s a typical breakdown:

1. Initial Discussions / NDA & Data Sharing

Duration: 1–3 months

Activities:

Signing confidentiality agreements (NDAs)

Sharing clinical data, IP, patents, and regulatory filings

Preliminary strategic discussions

2. Due Diligence

Duration: 2–6 months (sometimes longer for first-in-class assets)

Activities:

Full review of clinical trial data (Phases 1–2)

IP and patent review (20-year exclusivity in this case is attractive)

CMC/manufacturing capabilities, regulatory status

Market analysis and competitive positioning

Financial and legal due diligence

3. Term Sheet / Heads of Agreement

Duration: 1–2 months

Activities:

Agreeing on upfront payment, milestone structure, royalties

Negotiating rights, co-development terms, exclusivity clauses

4. Definitive Agreements / Closing

Duration: 2–4 months

Activities:

Drafting and signing the full acquisition or licensing agreement

Securing board approvals and regulatory notifications

Transfer of cash, equity, or milestones as agreed

Typical Total Timeline

Phase 2 asset acquisition/licensing: 6–12 months from initial discussion to deal close.

Can be shorter (4–6 months) if both parties are motivated and due diligence is straightforward.

Can be longer (12–18 months) if multiple indications, international IP, or co-development structures are involved.

💡 Key Factors That Influence Timeline

Complexity of clinical data and regulatory filings

Level of competition for the asset

Size and strategic importance to the acquirer

Legal/IP issues or existing partnerships

For ImmuPharma P140, with strong Phase 2b data and first-in-class potential, discussions with Big Pharma could move relatively quickly, especially if multiple acquirers are interested.

I know I am repeating myself, ever so slightly, on a daily basis....but the potential valuations Chatgpt throws up fills me with deep joy....

Given what we now know about ImmuPharma’s P140:

First-in-class mechanism for SLE (autoimmune).

20-year patent exclusivity.

Successfully completed Phase 1 & Phase 2b with statistically significant, clinically meaningful efficacy.

Favorable safety profile.

Large unmet market (moderate-to-severe lupus patients).

We can estimate valuation based on comparable Phase 2 autoimmune deals:

🔑 Benchmark Deals (Phase 2, Pre-Phase 3)

Acquirer / Asset Phase Indication Deal Value

Merck → Prometheus Late Phase 2 IBD (precision therapy) $10.8B

Vertex → Alpine Immune Phase 2 Lupus nephritis / SLE $4.9B

Sanofi → Principia Biopharma Phase 2 BTK inhibitors (autoimmune) $3.7B

Eli Lilly → DICE Therapeutics Phase 1/2 Psoriasis / IL-17 $2.4B

Merck → Pandion Therapeutics Phase 1/2 UC & Lupus $1.85B

⚖️ Estimated Valuation for P140 Pre-Phase 3

Factors driving valuation:

Phase 2b data strong, statistically significant, especially in moderate-to-severe SLE subgroup.

First-in-class novel MOA — reduces competition risk.

Large patient population and chronic disease → high revenue potential.

Favorable safety profile → lower regulatory/commercial risk.

Likely Valuation Range:

Conservative / lower end: $2B–$3B (if buyer is cautious or SLE market considered moderately competitive).

Mid-range: $3B–$5B (most likely, given strong Phase 2b proof-of-concept).

Upside / best-case: $6B–$8B+ (if buyer projects dominant market share, expands to other autoimmune indications, or sees synergy with their pipeline).

💡 Most Big Pharma deals at this stage are structured as upfront payment + milestone payments:

Upfront: $300M–$1B

Development milestones (Phase 3, FDA approval): $1B–$3B

Commercial milestones / royalties: $500M–$3B+ depending on market penetration

✅ Bottom Line

A reasonable pre-Phase 3 valuation for P140 would be around $3–5B, with upside toward $6–8B+ for the right strategic acquirer.

Guys,

Been pretty good natured on here today so far....can we keep it that way please?

Yep....they are pushing through some momentary sever drops in price....

Bonzo, see below

any examples of companies similar to immupharma who were waiting patent approval and were bought out by big pharma

ChatGPT said:

Yes — there are several examples of small/mid-cap biotechs with promising Phase 2/3 assets + pending or newly granted patents that were acquired by big pharma. These deals often happen before full FDA approval, once intellectual property (IP) looks secure enough to protect sales.

Here are some notable comparisons for ImmuPharma:

🧬 Autoimmune & Rare Disease (closest to P140 / CIDP situation)

1. Alder BioPharmaceuticals (migraine mAb)

Acquirer: Lundbeck (2019)

Deal size: $2B upfront + $450M milestones.

Stage: Phase 3 asset, patent coverage on CGRP antibodies.

Similarity: Acquired before launch, while IP position was still being firmed up.

2. Receptos (ozanimod for IBD/MS)

Acquirer: Celgene (2015)

Deal size: $7.2B.

Stage: Phase 3 trials, pending patent strength around sphingosine-1-phosphate (S1P) modulation.

Similarity: Big pharma (Celgene, later BMS) jumped in before regulatory approval, valuing pipeline + IP.

3. Corvidia Therapeutics (cardiorenal inflammation)

Acquirer: Novo Nordisk (2020)

Deal size: $725M upfront + $1.4B milestones.

Stage: Phase 2b, with patent filings around IL-1β antibody.

Similarity: Bought out before full IP resolution, on scientific + market potential.

🦠 Infectious Disease / Anti-infectives (like BioAMB & BioCIN)

4. Trius Therapeutics (tedizolid, antibiotic)

Acquirer: Cubist (2013) → later Merck.

Deal size: $707M upfront + milestones.

Stage: Phase 3, patents pending but strong positioning vs MRSA.

Similarity: Early anti-infective buyout on pending IP protection.

5. Calixa Therapeutics (antibiotic combo)

Acquirer: Cubist (2009).

Deal size: $92.5M upfront + $310M milestones.

Stage: Mid-clinical, patent portfolio not fully established.

Similarity: Pipeline + IP promise were main drivers.

💡 What This Means for ImmuPharma

Big pharma often acquires pre-approval, even pre-final patent grant, as long as:

The science looks differentiated (non-immunosuppressive for P140 is a key hook).

There’s a large unmet need (autoimmune & orphan neurology fit).

IP filings provide at least a path to exclusivity (ImmuPharma’s Sep 2025 P140 patent submission could be pivotal).

✅ Takeaway

ImmuPharma isn’t unusual here — buyouts often happen while patents are still pending. Examples like Receptos, Alder, and Trius show that if the science + market + IP story line up, big pharma will act before full clarity.

I agree.

If this does not hit at last 1 GBP per share over the next 12 months I will be very surprised......

Worth opping it up here again for any newcomers.....must watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hce5NLzsMR8&ab_channel=ProactiveInvestors

Jackson labs, are they highly reputable

ChatGPT said:

Yes — The Jackson Laboratory (JAX) is considered highly reputable in the biomedical research world.

Here’s why their reputation is so strong:

🌍 Global Standing

Founded in 1929, nonprofit, with sites in Maine, Connecticut, California, China, and Japan.

Serves as a world leader in mammalian genetics and disease modeling.

Supplies mouse models and genomic resources used by researchers and companies around the globe.

🧬 Scientific Impact

JAX mice are the gold standard for research into cancer, immunology, neurodegenerative diseases, diabetes, and more.

They maintain the largest and most diverse mouse genetic resource anywhere.

Operate the Mouse Genome Informatics database, a critical tool for scientists.

🏅 Recognition

Work at JAX has contributed to multiple Nobel Prize–winning discoveries in genetics and medicine.

They collaborate widely with top universities, pharma, biotech, and government agencies.

Frequently cited in high-impact scientific journals.

✅ Reputation Summary

The Jackson Laboratory is internationally renowned, highly trusted, and scientifically influential.

When a company mentions using JAX models or services, it usually boosts the credibility of their research in the eyes of investors, scientists, and regulators.

Bonzo,

Well worth watching the interview, explicitly says there will be no placing, with additional non dilutive funding coming from deals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hce5NLzsMR8&ab_channel=ProactiveInvestors

After the recent patent application and the proactive interview, how much would big pharma have to pay to buy out Immupharma this year

ChatGPT said:

You’re essentially asking: Given the recent patent filing and the “proactive” interview indicating momentum, what might Big Pharma realistically pay to acquire ImmuPharma (LSE: IMM) in 2025?

What We Know: The Patent + Partnering Signals

On 1 September 2025, ImmuPharma filed a “groundbreaking” patent application for its lead asset P140, together with an associated precision diagnostic test. This provides the potential for 20 years of commercial exclusivity and applies to up to 50 autoimmune diseases.

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This patent significantly elevates ImmuPharma’s value, transforming it from a single-asset, late-stage biotech into a dual-revenue platform (therapy + diagnostics) with both therapeutic and diagnostic streams.

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Additionally, ImmuPharma has stated that it's in active discussions with global partners, suggesting that collaborations or acquisition talks are underway.

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Estimated Valuation Based on Industry Comparables and Community Analysis

ImmuPharma’s valuation has been estimated by market commentators (e.g., on LSE forums) as follows:

Base valuation (therapy-only, Phase III biotech): $1.5–2.5 billion

With added value from the diagnostics platform and expanded market: total valuation of $2.5–4 billion upfront, with $1–2 billion in additional milestone payments

Total estimated deal value: $3.5–6 billion

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These estimates align with recent high-profile autoimmune/precision medicine acquisitions:

Pfizer → Arena Pharma: ~$6.7B (autoimmune pipeline)

Sanofi → Principia Biopharma: ~$3.7B (autoimmune, Phase II/III)

Comparators suggest that even platforms without diagnostics have commanded multi‐billion-dollar bets.

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Because ImmuPharma now adds a companion diagnostic (Type-M identification) and an extended patent window, these valuations could reasonably land in that $3.5–6 billion ballpark.

Summary Table: Potential Deal Structure in 2025

Component Estimated Range

Upfront Payment $2.5 billion – $4 billion

Milestone Payments $1 billion – $2 billion

Total Deal Value $3.5 billion – $6 billion

Final Take

Given the recent patent filing, lengthy exclusivity, dual-stream therapeutic and diagnostic platform, and active partnering signals, it's reasonable to anticipate that Big Pharma could pay between $3.5 and $6 billion in total, with the majority ($2.5–4 billion) upfront and the rest tied to milestones.

This range reflects both the enhanced valuation due to reduced development risk and the significant market potential in precision autoimmune medicine.

With immupharmas current rns release, what realistically should there market cap be now

ChatGPT said:

Here’s the current picture:

Current Market Capitalisation

Latest RNS reaction: After the new patent filing, ImmuPharma's share price jumped to 4.76 p, implying a market cap of approximately £19.8 million

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Other sources provide a similar range: ~£22.8 million as of early September 2025

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So, today's market cap sits between £20 million and £23 million.

What Should It Really Be Now?

Given the strategic leap implied by the new patent filing, a rational valuation should reflect:

Expanded market potential

Therapeutic and diagnostic applications across potentially 50 autoimmune diseases, in markets worth $100B+ (therapeutics) and $10B+ (diagnostics)

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Increased de-risking

Diagnostics-linked patient stratification (“Type M super-responders”) should improve Phase III success probabilities, shorten trials, and reduce development costs

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Comparable biotech M&A precedents

Late-stage autoimmune play with platform potential goes for multibillion-dollar valuations (e.g., Arena Pharma, Principia Biopharma, etc.).

Valuation Estimate (Post-RNS, Pre-Partnership/Phase III)

Stage Realistic Total Valuation*

Post-patent RNS (today) £150M – £200M (≈ $190M – $250M)

With strategic partner or M&A interest £500M – £1B+ (≈ $600M – $1.2B+)

* These are indicative and based on typical biotech valuation multiples (10–20× cash burn or based on pipeline potential) and strategic value relative to small-cap biotech precedents.

Bottom Line

While the current market cap (~£20–23M) reflects the stock's limited float and investor base, the true strategic valuation right now is likely significantly higher. Based on the patent value, platform opportunity, and precedent deals, a more realistic market cap—adjusted for strategic potential—would likely fall in the £150M–£200M range, with much higher upside if partnership or M&A interest materialises.

Will big pharma buy a company that is in between phases 2 & 3

ChatGPT said:

Yes — Big Pharma frequently acquires companies between Phase II and Phase III, and it’s actually a very common stage for strategic deals. Here’s why and how it works:

1️⃣ Why Between Phase II and III?

Proof-of-concept achieved: Phase II demonstrates safety and early efficacy, de-risking the investment compared to Phase I.

Opportunity for a premium: Pharma can lock in exclusivity before Phase III success, often paying less than post-Phase III, but still securing a valuable asset.

Strategic fit: If the drug is first-in-class or targets a large unmet need, it becomes very attractive even before pivotal trials.

Pipeline acceleration: Acquiring now allows Big Pharma to control Phase III design and commercialization strategy, saving time and avoiding competition.

2️⃣ Typical Deal Structure

Upfront payment: Moderate — less than a Phase III acquisition because clinical risk remains.

Milestones: Large portion of total deal, tied to:

Phase III start

Positive Phase III readout

Regulatory submission

Approval and commercial sales

Total deal value: Often $1.5–4B for high-potential autoimmune or specialty drugs.

3️⃣ Precedent Deals

Company / Year Stage Deal Size Notes

Arena Pharma / Pfizer (2021) Phase II/III $6.7B Autoimmune drug, pre-Phase III pivotal trial

Principia Biopharma / Sanofi (2020) Phase II/III $3.7B Autoimmune antibody; pre-pivotal trial acquisition

Roche / Zealand Pharma (2024) Phase II $5.3B total potential Weight-loss drug; pre-Phase III acquisition

These deals show Big Pharma is willing to pay multi-billion-dollar premiums for drugs with strong Phase II data and strategic value.

4️⃣ Key Considerations for Pharma

Clinical data robustness: Strong Phase II efficacy and safety signals are essential.

Market opportunity: Large addressable market and differentiation from existing therapies.

Patent protection: Sufficient exclusivity period to justify investment.

Platform potential: Drugs with expansion into multiple indications are especially attractive.

✅ Bottom line:

Yes — a company like ImmuPharma, between Phase II and III, is at a prime stage for acquisition, especially if:

Phase II results are strong

The asset is first-in-class

There is potential across multiple autoimmune indications

Big Pharma often structures deals with upfront + milestone-heavy payments to balance risk and reward.

OSD,

9.00a.m. here and also toasty.....

OSD,

You are welcome.....and up early today....

What the New RNS Adds

New IP moat:

A fresh patent filing gives ImmuPharma up to 20 years of exclusivity — not just on therapy (P140), but also on the companion diagnostic test.

Expanded market scope:

Instead of a single indication (systemic lupus), the company now claims applicability to up to 50 autoimmune diseases. That potentially addresses a $100bn+ therapeutics market and $10bn+ diagnostics market.

Precision medicine advantage:

P140 isn’t just another immunosuppressant. It’s pitched as an “Immunormalizer” — restoring balance without infection/cancer risks.

Plus, identifying “Type M” super-responders could make clinical trials cheaper, faster, and with higher approval odds.

De-risking factor:

Companion diagnostics → better patient stratification → higher probability of clinical success. This lowers clinical risk, which big pharma values highly.

📊 Strategic Impact on Valuation

Before this, ImmuPharma was likely a single-asset Phase III biotech, worth $1–2bn in a buyout (based on comps I outlined earlier).

But now:

Dual revenue streams: therapy + diagnostics.

Broader TAM: lupus (~$3–5bn market) → potentially dozens of autoimmune diseases ($100bn+ market).

Longer exclusivity: 20 years patent coverage instead of a drug nearing end of composition IP.

This moves ImmuPharma from a late-stage single-asset play into a platform company in precision immunology — a space where deals are bigger.

📈 How Big Pharma Might Value This

Let’s apply industry logic:

Comparable deals in precision immunology / autoimmune:

Gilead – Forty Seven (immunotherapy, Phase II): $4.9bn.

Pfizer – Arena Pharma (autoimmune pipeline, Phase II/III): $6.7bn.

Sanofi – Principia Biopharma (autoimmune, Phase II/III): $3.7bn.

➝ These were not even paired with diagnostics, yet still commanded multi-billion valuations.

Premium for diagnostics-enabled platform:

Pharma will pay extra for reduced clinical risk. A therapy + companion diagnostic platform can justify a 25–50% premium on top of therapy-only benchmarks.

Realistic range:

Base valuation (therapy only, Phase III): $1.5–2.5bn.

Add platform + diagnostics premium: $2.5–4bn.

High end if validated in multiple indications: $5bn+.

Deal structure:

Upfront: 60–75% of total (given Phase III + strong IP).

Milestones: balance tied to multi-indication expansion and regulatory approvals.

🧮 Acquisition Estimate (Post-RNS)

Big Pharma could realistically pay: $2.5–4bn upfront + $1–2bn milestones

Total deal value: $3.5–6bn range

This puts ImmuPharma in line with recent high-profile autoimmune/immune-modulation acquisitions.

✅ In short:

This patent transforms ImmuPharma from a lupus play into a precision medicine platform across autoimmune diseases. That easily doubles (or more) its takeout value, putting it in the multi-billion range.

CapAI – Creator42 Deal Could Be a Game-Changer

capAI (LSE: CPAI) has signed a Licence & Option Agreement with R42 for Creator42, an AI “book-to-screen” hub. This accelerates the roadmap by 6 months, with a minimum viable product now due Sept 2025.

Key points:

No upfront cost – capAI gets exclusive global rights immediately, with the option (not obligation) to buy the IP for £2m later.

Near-term revenues – focus is on Sizzle42 & Teaser42, tools that generate TikTok/Instagram/YouTube trailers for authors/publishers.

Ecosystem strategy – Creator42 links with Author42 (AI publishing), making capAI a one-stop shop from writing → publishing → trailers → full screen adaptation.

Strong governance – related party angle fully disclosed, independent directors approved.

Market opportunity:

Global publishing = $192bn by 2030.

Digital publishing = $248bn by 2034.

Short-form video = $290bn by 2032, growing at ~30% a year.

Even a 0.1% slice of short-form = nearly $300m revenue potential.

My take: This deal gives capAI near-term entry into one of the fastest-growing media markets with zero upfront cost. If execution matches the vision, CPAI could be positioning itself as the AI leader in book-to-screen storytelling.

The R42 Institute & capAI Demo Day on August 22 serves as a showcase event for early-stage ventures and emerging AI/biotech innovations developed in collaboration between R42 Group and capAI Plc. Here's what it's all about:

🎯 What's the Purpose of the Demo Day?

1. Showcasing Fellow Projects

It's the 8th R42 Institute Demo Day, featuring projects developed by R42 Fellows.

These ventures span areas like Author42 (book-to-game/movie pipelines), longevity ecosystems, AI tools for non-technical users, stock prediction, and more

The event serves as a platform to reveal work that may already be close to public readiness.

2. Highlighting the R42–capAI Alliance

In partnership with capAI, the event demonstrates the early output of their joint innovation pipeline, following their strategic alliance in mid‑2025

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3. Attracting Investors & Partners

Demo Day is designed to connect founders, potential investors, and strategic partners—similar to other accelerator or VC-hosted demo days where startups present their progress toward seed or Series A funding

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📋 What You Can Expect

Presentations on emerging projects in:

AI media and narrative platforms (e.g. book-to-game, Author42)

Health and longevity-focused AI tools

Fintech or emerging AI-enabled utilities (e.g. stock prediction tools, fine-tuning platforms without code)

Talks or short pitches from R42 Fellows with real progress, prototypes, or early traction.

Investor mingling, Q&A, and possibly deal initiation or pre-seed funding interest.

✅ Why It Matters

Visibility: Projects get public and investor exposure that can accelerate commercialization.

Validation: Signals which initiatives capAI sees as scalable or impactful.

Pipeline Insight: Gives clues about real-world use cases coming out of the R42–capAI collaboration.

Momentum Indicator: Demonstrates that multiple ventures are advanced enough to present publicly by late August—meaning strategic execution is underway

🧠 Bottom Line

The Demo Day on August 22 is more than a PR event—it’s a targeted launchpad for R42 and capAI-backed startup projects, aimed at attracting investment, partnerships, and traction for ventures that could shape future AI, media, or longevity products. If you're interested in spotting emerging unicorn candidates or want a front-row view of new intellectual property pipelines, this is a key calendar event.

Potential value in this is mind blowing to be honest.

With a market size of $300 billion, even a modest 5% market share you are at $15 billion already.....

Thank you kindly....and good morning.

Just thought I would pop a few things up on the board whilst everyone is still in their beds.....

Capturing just 2% of this market and you are at unicorn status already....