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"My money is on a NASDAQ listing in Q4 2024" is not a ramp, its personal opinion.
If they don't come back onto an exchange then your long term hold for a few years will be over. So they do need to get back on an exchange at some point and apologies if you think that is a ramp.
TK44
I am not sure what your life experiences are, but your observations, draws your own conclusions, about someones personality and what their intentions are. I dont have to agree with them. You made assumptions whether right or wrong on someone you may have never met but from the outset, you never listened to what was said rather you observed what YOU wanted to confirm for your outcome. You could be way off the mark, you could be right, so you decide what is the best route for you.
You might be right that she could not care less about her shares, but you would be completely wrong in that she and the other BODs are not responsible to other shareholders. There are a lot of reputations on the line. You have nothing against say Jeremy Hunt who slashed CGT this year to £3000? which in turn stops a lot of people wanting to invest? which may have impacted stocks like OCTP, or nothing against the FCA for their continuous destruction of the markets with zealous rules? which again is the reason this company and many others are in this predicament, of not being able to raise finance unless making compromises which in other circumstances would make no difference? or the continuous pumping of economic finances into wars that leave people at home in a destitute situations with cuts being made everywhere to fund those wars. No Clarissas earrings being worth more than her holdings, is what made you decide, this is not worth holding.
Though no one likes money being tied up where you cannot get hold of it, at your own choice, its wiser to assess what would be the best option personally, and everyone has till the 6th June to decide.
Yes just watched it with subtitles as I am in a public place without a headset. I will watch again but my first impression was that its was pressed over and over regarding the position of current shareholders and each time it sounded like they will potentially go for another public listing down the line, once they are in a bigger position and it makes sense, as Clarissa said she will be as other directors holding onto their shares. They would not be wasting time in interviews like the one watched if they didn't feel confident.
So my take is that if this is true to its word and delivers then there should be plenty of buyers coming in who are willing to let their money sit for whatever time period and come back positive, if their DD shows growth. There will be sellers also which is natural but only those who need the money urgently or for whatever legitimate reason. No one should feel under pressure to make the correct decision for themselves.
The shares will be transferred out of the ISA and into another account accordingly to whichever broker you use. However you will not be able to trade those shares unless your brokers deals matched bargains.
It mind boggles me that a company worth lots more than the current market cap is this low.
They are traded on the OTC markets in the USA so not sure what bearing that will have here going forward as most holders are UK based and the shares I assume in the USA are under a different jurisdiction.
So a potential company worth a valuation of £27m could be picked up for £1m right now. It does make me wonder a while back there was a mass of buying and no movement in price, just what was happening, This has been rushed through for reasons. For the fun of it I am sticking around.
So this is for anyone with a HL account. I have this morning requested a contract note just as a proof that I made a purchase of the shares. However the shares will be moved out of the ISA and into a Fund and Share account which costs £1 to open or if you have one already the shares will be transferred out of the ISA and into it. The shares will not be able to be traded at any time and will sit there in the off chance that they come back on a recognised exchange again down the line.
UKtrader6
I understand the predicament here and that everyone has a different approach right now. I am in a loss on this but am willing to write this off for now in the hope that down the line it comes good again. This might not be suitable to others and they have to make up their own mind what do to next. It has been stated that a NASDAQ listing is a potential option for consideration then I am prepared to wait.
Appreciate your reply BC2021. I never read the appendix as it was not showing on small tablet. Thanks for clearing up.
Thats exactly what I intend to do. Its not said anything about a NASDAQ listing and not going to guess they do but no point in selling for me if what they say is true about being debt free.
Thats correct its only the share trading that has stopped. I had that in an email for clarification.
very clever ff, did you take “nhs up xxxx creek” as a standalone statement that there are many interpretations to people can think, or was there further context to that statement which would make it more understandable but you conveniently left out? what did you want us to mould into our thinking?
i am totally amazed why some people even get into investing or is it a trade that snowballed out of control? and now it gives them the right to **** off the company at every opportunity to find a scapegoat? the price of the share is influenced by many external issues and those issues depending on your approach can drum up an opportunity at these prices or regrets. depends how you control your emotions and how you are approaching this.
i was there at the agm the day psl became bou, and met john treacey, depasquale, and co, and voted against any further placings for psl which then created the shell. i was confident that day and still am that they will deliver.
i am glad that the communication between board and ‘investors’ (really the snowballed out of control traders) is kept to a minimum as from what i read from some these posters it would better for all.
“as has constantly stated the fastest way to get to market is through the us, once that is done i am sure other regions would quickly follow” absolutely bang on daddylonglegs.
The price movement has been near static, and basically moving within a top ask of 0.4 and low of 0.34, with bid bouncing in between. Not really interested in the short term price movements other than it is certainly facilitating in my view constant heavy buys which to me is pointing to stakebuilding, as by now the price would have moved out of this range and given the placing recently was at 0.5p. 1m in the grand scheme of things is not a lot of buying but added to what is other buys and within a price range puts an entirely different slant on this. No problem the price being here if that is what is happening and then followed by the upward correction once the buyer (if there is one) is done.
If Rob Bennett's reply went out at 9am this morning in reponse to Lord Mott's Linkedin piece then we have a run of buys starting at 9.22am with 1m, and now few minutes ago a 16.6m trade. Thats around £50k. Tell me I am wrong.
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Dave82 don't worry my friend, will put your mind at rest later.
I have been here before and not saying two situations are alike, but the last one was worse than this but we knew more detail. This one surprisingly is not yet details are few and far between.
Is this paragraph from July 17th 2023 hold any clues especially the first stipulation?
The Subscription Agreement also contains certain covenants in favour of WHI in respect of (i) the Company incurring financial indebtedness in excess of £50,000 without the prior written consent of WHI, excluding the 2025 Convertible Loan Notes, (ii) amalgamation, demerger, merger or corporate reconstruction of the Company, excluding a change of control or other acquisition of interests in the Company by WHI or third parties, without the prior written consent of WHI, (iii) issuing shares or share capital (or any instrument convertible into shares or share capital) to any person, other than pursuant to options or warrants which are outstanding at the First Completion or pursuant to a bona fide employee share or share option scheme, without the prior written consent of WHI, other than in respect of repaying all or any amounts due under the 2025 Convertible Loan Notes, (iv) the appointment of new Directors of the Company without the prior written consent of WHI, other than to replace an existing Director, (v) any substantial change to the general nature or scope of its business as carried out on at the date of First Completion and (vi) entry into a material acquisition or corporate joint venture transaction, excluding for the avoidance of doubt the acquisition of trading stock in the ordinary course of business and distribution or equivalent commercial agreements in the ordinary course of business, without the prior written consent of WHI.
I should of added that they are technically insolvent and their assets may have fallen below the required £700lk requirement for the LSE threshold, given the current actions by INL.
Mr M
If I can just clear up one thing. I have it on good authority that they have not ceased trading, but have ceased share trading. The tweet that went out was a mistake in that it was already in the automated system and that now will be amended in future. As for why they are in administration, maybe for temporary safety, although not kidding anyone, you really want to try and avoid this avenue, but by the actions of INL it may have been forced for now.
Dan if you could send onto bould12345 and its hot with a mail and com. Just in case its blocked here. Appreciated.
MrMagorium
You are raising exactly some of the points I have been asking today. The same video should be investigated as he clearly stated break even by the end of the year or before. Loan notes being called within the year, and no reason given as to why? No indication of any issues with INL in the video.
Either he is talking BS about large supportive shareholders, one of which is Aviva with around 8-9%. I have been onto Allenby but not getting any reply yet. You can understand a slow death and one could argue this is what has been happening here, and all the signs were there etc, but a sudden one especially with a company who already partner's and without much explanation is not adding up.
BS8765, agreed. 4.42pm announcement of potential suspension then pre market Monday closed down completely. This is severe and if the CLN redemption has created an insolvent situation then you would be trying to use time to see if there were backers. Either they have backers who do not want TB at the helm and that then means BODs are not fulfilling their responsibilities to shareholders. Yet I also have to say that 4 mins after suspension this morning they were tweeting about a new win in the USA! This is why I question "ceased trading" as in the shares? or ceased as in completely as a going concern.
I know might say forget it and move on. I reminded myself this morning of the similar situation 10 years ago, and there shouts of "its bust" "you have lost everything " and yet it came back 13 times the suspension price. Not saying anything like that here but this does not add up.
This was put out 2 hours ago on twitter which is slightly confusing if the company has ceased trading. Should they still be tweeting?
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No one shareholder is in possession of all the facts. What we do now see is that there is the possibility that TB and INL had planned this from last year, because as of Friday afternoon we have no idea why all of a sudden they call in the CLN . If Burt only a month ago was saying we are close to break even and especially by Q4 2024, and they were getting business in the USA, albeit we not sure at what levels those deal were really worth then the Chinese would have been aware of this, so why pull the rug now? Has their been a default? If not then why take the entire company down if the Chinese were always after the Singapore arm of the business. That is clear as it was stated in the CLN notes. TB shares will go over to them as well, and which means he stays in the game in some capacity.
No one likes losing money and its best to remain positive for other things, but the speed this has been conducted at does raise questions. I personally have to believe that no attempts were ever made to find other sources of debr financing and that this was the route carefully planned from last year. What else are we to think?